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Ecneps
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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Thanks Mum44 - yes, of course, it's an option, but this bit of the family (distant, in fact it's my cousin's husband's and not mine!) has just resurfaced, so to speak, so haven't got round to that yet. Thought it would be an idea to try to find Daniel first for this person who contacted me, but he's a bit elusive, it might have to come down to certs - and I haven't found a birth reg for him yet, Anna Maria's cert might be the way to go, or Esther Bird's, I've got the ref for that one -- you're quite right!
Barbara 
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johnP-bedford
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BMD marriage index Huddersfield RD vol 9a page 489 Apr/June 1872
Esther Bird to John Lorimer or Law Dyson, other female name Martha Ann Davis
1881 census Spring Street, Huddlesfield
RG11/4383 Folio: 131 Page: 24
John Lorimer, head, age 29, born Huddlesfield ; greengrocer
Esther Lorimer, age 28 , born Bedford, Beds ; Silk piercer
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tazzie
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Looks like Daniel marries Huddersfield 1881 to Mary Elizabeth Law or Mary Dixon.
He looks to be the one being vague here RG12/3566 F 106 P10
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Liscoe -all Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks. Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London Rewallin/Underwood -Devon Casbolt-London/Cambridge Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds This information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Barbara....
Just wanted to show he wasn't exactly helping matters.
Mary/ Esther & Daniel I would hope to find together but nothing is popping out as yet even on just Daniel mother Mary .
Cannot see Francis either just on Fran* b 1828+/- 2 Norfolk for 1851/61
As for Daniels birth the only one is for the Amptill boy who we have accounted for.
I think I need caffine and a think...
Tazzie
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Liscoe -all Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks. Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London Rewallin/Underwood -Devon Casbolt-London/Cambridge Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds This information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Barbara
I've looked every which way for the Mary, Daniel and Esther in 1861 - so far no luck  I will keep hunting.
Jan 
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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Being Birds they may well be in the hedge 
Trouble is just because Mary was a Bird when she married Francis doesn't mean she was one in 1861. Also since Francis is nowhere to be found in 61 either I guess they could all be hiding together.
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Ecneps
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Thanks so much for looking, believe me I have looked too, but I thought new eyes might spot them where I couldn't, as John managed to find Mary & Anna Maria in 1891 misindexed.
Please don't spend any more time on them, they're maybe just missed off. I'll need to get Esther Bird's birth cert I think, then see what her mother's name was at that time. She may have been unmarried and so Mary Bird (perhaps the one Ricky found 1841/51), or she may have married one of those Birds, will have to do more digging & a cert seems to be the only way forward, or backwards
Many thanks all for your time and effort, much appreciated
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No sign I'm afraid - can't see Daniel in 71 either, very strange.
Let us know if the birth or marriage certs are at all enlightening
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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