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Steph
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Hi
This is a long shot but has anyone come across a Nicholas Dormer, merchant of London according to the National Archives, c1540s. It is possible he was related to Sir Michael Dormer, merchant who became Mayor of London.
I have a Nicholas Dormer from Oxfordshire who was married in Great Haseley, Oxfordshire to Mawde Sceelie 1578 birth date unknown. The Dormers were a pretty well-off family in this area (Great Haseley/Great Milton/Wing - Bucks, I've checked British History Online) and I am trying to track his baptism. Some people have suggested that the Dormers were baptised in London because of the link between the Oxfordshire Dormers and the London branch. I have posted a request on the Oxfordshire board but thought I'd give this a go in view of what I found on the National Archives.
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Steph
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isenhand
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Nicholas Dormer in the 16th Cent? England? Now that is interesting!!!!
"Nicholas" is an uncommon name in the Dormer family in England. There is the Nicholas you mention and one, probably his son, who died in Bicester in 1615. However, the name does appear to be more common among the Dormers of Wexford in Ireland and I suspect that the Wexford Dormers are related to the Oxfordshire Dormers but probably further back than Sir Michael Dormer. I'm working on Nicholas Dormer from Bicester. My Nicholas is here:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=isenhand_5&id=I05922
and the information I have on the Dormers in Ireland is here:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=irishdormers&id=I0000
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Steph
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I've come across the Irish Dormers before but not really taken much notice, however I might now.
Have you tried Google Books? If you go on there and type Nicholas Dormer as a search you come up with a combination of books, a mix of Henry James and Irish history!
One in particular The Irish and Anglo-Irish Landed Gentry, When Cromwell came to Ireland ....
reveals a whole list of Dormers in the text including a Frances Dormer which I saw on your Rootsweb page when I took a v. quick peek!
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isenhand
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<<Have you tried Google Books?>>
Yeap, that's where the info for my Irish Dormer tree on rootsweb comes from 
BTW, I found some more Nicholas Dormers in England. One was a Sir Nicholas who held Wakely manor during King Henry VIII's time and another Nicholas : "Nicholas Dormer, Warborow, Oxon., shepherd, aged 56,1599(0 24/269/21)." Now that last one could be worth looking at! I've have ordered the parish records and hope it might lead somewhere. Will let you know if it does.
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Valda
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Hi Steph
The odds of finding a baptism in parish registers for a Nicholas Dormer this early are increasingly slim the further back into the C16th you go.
'Parish registers were started in England in 1538. A law was passed ordering the clergy to record baptisms, marriages and burials, and that they should be written down in a book after the service on Sundays, and in the presence of the Churchwardens. Before this date there were no records, except for a few created by monks who recorded the events for prominent families. Many churches, however, did not begin keeping records until a further notice was sent out in 1558, and even then, many did not comply.
In 1597, Queen Elizabeth I decreed at all existing records should be copied into "fair parchment books, at least from the beginning of this reign". There was considerable opposition. Many churches complained that they could not afford parchment books, others began the task, some started with the 1558 records, some omitted large sections as the task was too large, and some did not start at all.
Some of the early 1538 records (re-written in 1597) still exist, but it is not at all unusual for the registers not to have been preserved. Many were lost, and it is quite common to find no preserved records for a parish until a much later date. '
http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/registers/home.htm
Many of the registers that have survived and do start with events in 1538 are actually written much later from memory and are therefore not complete.
Regards
Valda
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isenhand
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Dormers from Warborough
Bap
21 Jun 1582 Raffe s. Nicholas
16 Jan 1589 Agnes d. Nicholas
30 Jul 1592 Marie d. Nicholas
21 Sep 1595 Mathie d. Nicholas
24 Dec 1625 Thomas s. Richard
21 Dec 1627 Edward s. Richard
14 Feb 1629 Richard s Richard
1 Mar 1632 John s. Richard
28 Aug 1652 Mary d William
14 Sep 1655 Thomas s. Richard
1656 Richard s. Richard
1656 ? s. Thomas Dormer
End Oct 1661 Avis d. Thomas
8 Sep 1663 John s. Thomas
20 Sep 1663 Mary d. Richard
9 Feb 1672 Judith d. Thomas
13 Feb 1672 Elizabeth d. Richard
10 Feb 1683 Thomas s Thomas
12 Jun 1709 John s. Thomas and Sarah
19 Nov 1711 Mary d. Thomas and Sarah
25 Jul 1714 Mary d. Thomas and Sarah
1 Nov 1719 Elizabeth d. Thomas and Sarah
25 Mar 1722 Richard s. Thomas and Sarah
Mar
27 Sep 1624 John Bully Martha
24 May 1666 Richard Anies Clare
27 June 1680 Thomas Jane Baker
27 Sep 1696 Joseph Bennan Elizabeth
Bur
3 April 1611 Nicholas
18 Nov 1661 Mary w. of Richard
12 Sep 1663 Mary w. of Thomas
19 Feb 1665 Annis w. Richard
18 Jan 1673 Mary w. Thomas
13 Apr 1697 Margaret
11 Jul 1697 Thomas
14 May 1714 Jane
6 Jun 1714 Mary
4 Mar 1759 Thomas aged 76
21 Sep 1777 Sarah wid. 92
Well, that doesn't confirm anything nor does it rule it out. Its odd the transcript read Nicholas Dormer buried 1611 but there appears to be a Nicholas Dormer who died there in 1599. I suppose next step is to get the will!
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Steph
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So near and yet so far!
Don't know if you've come across this info re Nicholas Dormer c1578-1615. I found the will transcript on the net as follows:
>Bicester PR
bur 1615 May 15 Dormor, Nicolaus
Abstract of Will of Nicholas Dormer, Bicester, King's End
W.D. 12 May 1615 W.P. 21 June 1615
Oxford Archdeacon's Ct Ser II Vol 3 p. 207
husbandman
to my eldest son William £10 in 6 years [b abt 1598]
to my 2nd son Nicholas £10 in 7 years [b abt 1599]
to my son Edmund £10 in 9 years [b abt 1601]
to my dau Margery £10 in 11 years [b abt 1603]
to my son Thomas £10 in 13 years [ b abt 1605]
to my dau Anne £10 in 15 years [b abt 1607]
to my son Nathaniel £10 in 17 years [b abt 1609]
to my son Stephen £10 in 19 years [b abt 1611]
to my son John £10 in 20 years [b abt 1612]
to the child my wife now goeth yet unborn £10 in 23 years [Francisca
Dormor chr 1615]
my houses in Piddington used for payment
my sons Nicholas & Thomas to have the leases
to Edward Grove 10/-
to --- Wilmett [interlined and hard to read] John Austin
my sister Bridgett - bread corn
my wife rest of goods and to be executor
Nicholas x Dormer
wit: Robert x Nurth, John Nurth
Inv. Clxix/xviii/ii
I followed up the Piddington connection and found this reference :
Charity of Sir John Dormer, founded by deed 1 May 1620, consisting of a rent-charge of £30 (less land tax) issuing out of land at Piddington, Oxfordshire.
From: 'Parishes : Long Crendon', A History of the County of Buckingham: Volume 4 (1927), pp. 36-45. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=62528. Date accessed: 08 July 2008.
It would be interesting to find the link to John Dormer, I would strongly suspect there is one. Have you come across any Piddington Dormers?
The Nurths are probably relatives of Nicolas' wife Elizabeth Northe (daughter of Steven Northe)
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isenhand
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<<So near and yet so far!>>
Indeed! There is room for a Nicholas and a Bridget as children of Nicholas from Warborough if that Nicholas is the same as the one who married Mawde Sceelie in 1578 (notice how the transcript misses some information such as the burial of Nicholas' wife). So, not enough to confirm anything nor enough to rule anything out!
I had come across that will before but ...
<<Have you come across any Piddington Dormers?>>
No I haven't as I had assumed Donnette had done that so didn't want to duplicate the effort and therefore concentrated on finding Nicholas else where. But looking back I notice she hasn't listed Piddington as a place she has looked at so that's an obvious place to search now.
<<It would be interesting to find the link to John Dormer>>
And also to find what his arms were as that will help to see if he is related to Geoffrey Dormer and the Barons of Wing.
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Valda
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Steph
This thread is probably better placed on the Oxfordshire board? Shall I move it there for you?
Regards
Valda
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<<Shall I move it there for you?>>
I'm not fussed, so long as I can find it 
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