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deb usa
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Hi everyone 
This is my first time posting on the Canadian boards... I am hoping that we can trace this family back as a gift to my best friend.
The information I have at the moment is this:
Ruth Helen McGregor was born 31 Aug 1905 , Windsor (we think), Canada. She died 23 Feb 1998 in North Carolina , USA.
Her parents were : Thomas McGregor and Edith McGregor nee Thomas , both born Canada.
Ruth had an older brother , Frank, possibly Francis and and older sister ...we are waiting for further information ..ie; marriage info of Thomas and Edith and siblings of Ruth.
Hopefully we can get back to the 'roots' of this family. I feel a little lost here as I am so used to searching England ... 
Thanks everyone ... Looking forward to any info
deb
added ... Grub ..  ...xxxx
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AMBLY
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Hi Deb
There is this birth record:
Helen Ruth McGREGOR born 31 Aug 1905 Euphemia, Lambton, Ontario
Father: Franklin McGREGOR, Farmer of Euphemia Township
Mother: Edith THOMAS
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AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Hi Deb
That DB goes up to 1909 - there is another child born 1902 in Lambton Ontario - poss the older sister.....?
Josephine Elizabeth McGREGOR 12 Sep 1902, father Franklin MrcGREGOR, mother: Edith THOMAS
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AMBLY
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deb usa
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Oooo Ambly ...That looks great , especially Ruth's DOB ...
Frankly , I think Franklyn as the dad sounds good ...will be back soon with more info ...
Thanks XX
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AMBLY
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Franklin Jas. McGREGOR
age 27, b Euphemia Ontario abt 1873
Parents: James McGREGOR and Lydia OUTHOUSE
married: 20 Sep 1900 , Lambton Ontario . to:
Edith Orilla THOMAS
age 22, b Ridgetown Ontario abt 1878
Dau. of Henry THOMAS and Phebe Evelina THOMAS
Bit of a tree online here :
http://members.shaw.ca/rmcdormand/02-William%20McDormand.txt
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AMBLY
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deb usa
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just typed a reply and lost it all
anyway ...BRILLIANT !!!!! just great ... Have confirmed Josephine was indeed older sister of Helen Ruth who only went by RUTH ...
she had no idea of Franklyn , her Great granddad , always thought he was Thomas ....
just fab !!! do you have census records like England or is it just an index ...?
thank you ......
deb xxx
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AMBLY
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That tree by looks of it is on Lydia OUTHOUSE's ascendancy:
Lydia OUTHOUSE b 10 Sep 1841 in Zone Twp, Kent Co
dau: of Joseph OUTHOUSE and Elizabeth McDERMAND
married 4 Jul 1862 in Detroit, Wayne Co, Michigan, to
James McGREGOR b 14 Aug 1826 Perthshire Scotland, d abt 1904
Parents: Donald MCGREGOR and Margaret.
ISSUE:
Margaret abt 1863
Malcolm abt 1864
Wellington abt 1866
Alex b 22 Dec 1869 m. Alice M (UNKNOWN) b. Jan 24, 1875, India
Franklin, b abt. 1871
Nellie Grant b abt Abt 1875
Loewisa? MCGREGOR b abt 1880
Will see what I can find on them in Canada for you too!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ambly
You have been FAB!!! My pal has learned more about her family in half and hour than what she has known in her lifetime .... 
deb
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You're very welcome
I love it when there's results like this!
Found them in 1901 Census - no kids yet, so Josephine possibly was the first. They are living with his parents, James and Lydia.
Will PM you details 
Looks like Franklin moved to Michigan abt 1905, he's on 1930 Census with a new wife.
Will PM you details
He lived to a good age :-
Go to the LDS site:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
and look him up in Social Security Indexes - died Apr 1868,
born 7 Jan 1872 Canada
Also on LDS is the transcription of 1881 Canada Census, he's there too with parents and sibs!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ambly
You would swear this is my family ...I am soo excited .... eeekkkk ...so much info ....thanks doll , you are on the ball !!!!!
So Franklin married twice ...but my friend's family def. comes from 1st wife?
Okay need to catch up ...BBS
deb ....yeeeeehaaaaa
can we trace the female lines ... ?
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So much popping up - I'm having trouble keeping up
Got Franklin (well pretty sure it's him, same man as 1930 anyway) in 1920 Michigan (details sent)
Can't really find him in 1910 (the 1930 said he arrived in US 1905) - have found a possible, but in Oregon.....
Got Josephine crossing into Michingan in 1915 as a 12year old.
Seems to be with a brother named Glenn who is a year older!
Edith McGREGOR their mother, is still in Bothwell Ontario (place matches one of those Census') Their US contact is an Uncle, named Charles PERRY
Josephine permanently immigrated 1926 as a 24 year old. She may have preferred and used the name Elizabeth, too..... This record has her a Elizabeth Josephine, born right date in Euphemia, Lambton - but she was moving from Windsor Ontario - so there's that link in to what your friend knew. This record also has her Mother named as Edith, living in Windsor (and we are pretty sure Franklin was in Michigan by 1920 at least with a new wife......possibly a divorce then?
She (Elizabeth Josephine) also crossed back to US in 1945 - single, born 12 Sep 1902.
Josephine may never have married - check the Social Security - her death indexed as McGREGOR 14 Jun 1988 in Michigan
Franklin's marrige, and that of his brother Alexander are transcribed here:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/lamb00.htm
Yes, it appears Ruth was was from Franklin's first marriage to Edith THOMAS
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AMBLY
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ambly
what can I say ...how can I thank you ... if you ever need anything from England let me know .... well not literally England ... I mean census wise etc ... I do love a good mystery ...
I do have Helen/Ruth's SSN ...would that give more details about her life ?
I need to print everything you have found ... I know , you know, the excitement that is happening here .... remember the first time you found some of your rellies .... well it's happening here ! thank you !
deb 
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All seems to be stacking up - the 1911 Census (on that link above) has Edith 33 with her children Glen 9, Josephine 8 and Ruth 5 all in Euphemia. Edith is listed as "Wife" but Franklin is not at home...!
Pretty sure he is that one in 1910 Oregon enumerated as a Farm worker age 37 b Canada and single. Scottish father, Canadian mother.
Can't find Franklin's birth or any oif his sibs on the Ontario Births, 1869-1909
Can't find Edith's death (she was still alive in 1929 when her son Glenn crossed into Detroit)
Ontario Deaths, 1869-1934
Can find Edith's birth:
Ridgetown, Cty Kent, Ontario
Edith Orrila THOMAS born 14 Nov 1877 to parents: Henry THOMAS, Tinsmith and Phoebe Evilina PARISH?? (Phoebe's name is a bit hard to make out)
She's on the 1881 at the LDS site - named as Edith A THOMAS, in Elgin East, Ontario.
I can here all the whooping from here
I have to go and make like a hiusewife - but take stock and then come back and let me know of specifics to have a look for if you like. (I guess trying to find Josephine in US Census 1930.....and that Charles PERRY fellow would be two things?? ) I did see Glenn going into Detroit 1915 and 1929 will get that later and send it on .
Not sure abt the SSN what that will give you more than what you have online - perhaps an address? Try googling for info as to what a full SS record gives
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Ambly
it is now 1;07 am Monday here and i cannot keep my eyes open ....let alone type ... The yipppeeeesssss are very loud tho'
you have been FABULOUS .... usually I am the one finding data ... so it is rather strange to be on the receiving end ....
I will be up and at it asap ...need to sleep ...LOL
you are a darling ....
deb and her pal xxxxxxxxxxx
added ...I have placed a post on the Scottish boards re: Donald McGregor and Margaret ...parents of Franklin
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