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MonicaLesl
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Hi Deb and Ambly (  brilliant job again Ambly!)
I thought I would post here to keep all your US/Canada info together. If you go to the LDS site under the Pedigree Resources File and insert 917610-0714100180146 in the Submission Number tab, up will come a wealth of additional names (all 524 names  ), a lot on the Outhouse family side. submitter details are included.
I wish we could verify the Scottish info for James McGregor (parents and date of birth), nothing as yet showing up in Scotland. I wonder where this info was obtained and if it actually was written down somewhere. The same info is quoted on a number of places so there must be a source (or maybe someone has copied from somewhere else and repeated the same info). Maybe the MC Deb as we said...but maybe not. Given that James was Scottish I would have expected him to use Donald as a name for one of his sons as he seems to have done for Margaret instead we have Malcolm 
It might be worthwhile trying to find James in the earlier censuses (1861/71 and the 1901 one to see whether any more details can be found perhaps?
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Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Monica
thanks for posting here ...
Ambly has done a fab job ... I am alittle lost when it comes to canada and Scotland ... but will persevere 
I am hoping that a few questions can be answered..
* what was Glenn McGregor's DOB? ... he is the oldest son of James and Edith (b/o Josephine and helen Ruth)
* Would there be details of Edith and Franklin's divorce? I would assume that if they married in Canada , they work divorce there , even thoughFranklin was in the States at that stage.
* Would we be able to find Franklin's 2nd marriage to Frances in Michigan ?
thanks for all your help so far
deb
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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Hi Deb & Monica
Thanks Monica  I'm hoping if I can collect enough Canadian data, you might be able to work your magic and find them out in Scotland
I have just realised, Deb - that on the 1901 Canada Census, where Frank and Edith are newly married, living with his parents James & Lydia - that James states his birth as 14 Aug 1823, not 1826 as is stated on that website link of Lydia's family. He is also stated to have immigrated in 1832. This would infer he immigrated as a child and therefore his parents and perhaps some siblings, did also - and either to Canada or to Michigan. This would also mean, his parents are possibly never going to be found on any Scots census.
(The DOB for Edith on that same 1901, is correctly stated as we have seen the birth record).
Perhaps the famiily 'penchant' for sometimes using middle names as their preference to be known by indicates a tradition in the famiy....
Ruth dau of Frank and Edith, was actually Helen Ruth
Josephine ELizabeth dau of Frank and Edith, seems to have used the name Elizabeth
Louisa, dau of James and Lydia, was born Sarah Louisa
Have gathered a bunch of stuff - so will put it all in here and then see if we can't start to find a good lead.....
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AMBLY
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AMBLY
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BIRTH:
Glenn Ward McGREGOR - Registered in Cty of Lambton, Ontario
Born 20 Jul 1901 - parents: Frank McGREGOR and Edith THOMAS
CENSUS US 1930: Detroit City, Wayne Cty, Michigan
Head: Glenn W McGREGOR age 28, a Stationers Bookeeoer (unmarried??) enumerator has had a bit of a re-write/scribble over this one so may not be "Single") . He is head of a rented house - and he lives with: sster Josephine 27, unmarried a Stenographer - and their mother Edith McGREGOR 53, Do (for Divorced). It states they all immigrated to US in 1928.
DIVORCE CANADA
Info and Links to Databases here:
http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/can/ont/divorce.shtml
I've checked both dB and can''t find anything..... they may have divorced in US but also have to be prepared for the fact they never did divorce and that Franklin never actually legally married his 2nd wife.
BORDER CROSS to US - Edith 1912
Well pretty sure it's her - despite middlle initial...
Edith M McGREGOR, 35, born Ridgetown Ontario, a Practical Nurse, living in Bothwell Ontario. Crosses into US via Detroit MI. She says she has been to US before : 1908 to 1909 to Toledo, Ohio. This time she is going to join her sister, Mrs Ada TERRY of 1919 East 55th St, Chicago Illinois. Her contact in Canada is her father, Mr Henry THOMAS of Dant, Ontario. Edith is described as 5'3", Fair skin, Brown hair and Blue eyes.
BORDER CROSS to US - Edith 1927
Edith Orilla T McGREGOR age 49 yrs and 9 mths, b Ridgetown Ontario
Travelling alone.
Last permanent Residence: Windsor Ontario
Going to: Billings, Montana to visit her daughter: Josephine McGREGOR who lives there.
Her contact in Canada is her Daughter Ruth McGREGOR of Sandwich, (Windsor), Ontario. Edith is now 5'1". med complexion, Dk Brown Haair & Blue Eyes.
BORDER CROSS to US - Glenn W McGREGOR 1929 - his mother Edith is his contact in Windsor Ontario. His age as stated here as 25 yrs & 10 mths.
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AMBLY
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deb usa
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Hi Deb & Monica Thanks Monica I'm hoping if I can collect enough Canadian data, you might be able to work your magic and find them out in Scotland I have just realised, Deb - that on the 1901 Canada Census, where Frank and Edith are newly married, living with his parents James & Lydia - that James states his birth as 14 Aug 1823, not 1826 as is stated on that website link of Lydia's family. He is also stated to have immigrated in 1832. This would infer he immigrated as a child and therefore his parents and perhaps some siblings, did also - and either to Canada or to Michigan. This would also mean, his parents are possibly never going to be found on any Scots census.
Hi Ambly
Thanks again ...for all your hard work.
The change in James' DOB is quite a find ...I wonder why no-one else has picked up on it.? added ....It still does not match with what Monica has found , although her info states that they are christenings and not the actual birthdate.
Would we be able to spot his parents in any of the censuses ?
deb
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MonicaLesl
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These are the only two couples (father Donald and mother Margaret) showing on the OPRs as having children including a James in the OPRs between 1815-30 in Perthshire. Not a 100% method, it could be that James's OPR birth/christening doesn't show or his siblings show but not his. As always, this part is frustrating.
To Donald McGREGOR and Margaret DUNN:
1. DUNCAN MCGREGOR Christening: 23 FEB 1823 Comrie, Perth, Scotland
2. JAMES MCGREGOR Christening: 26 AUG 1824 Comrie, Perth, Scotland
3. GREGOR MCGREGOR Christening: 03 SEP 1826 Comrie, Perth, Scotland
4. PETER MCGREGOR Birth: 07 MAY 1829/ Christening: 25 MAY 1829 Comrie, Perth, Scotland
To Donald McGREGOR and Margaret MACFARLANE:
1. JAMES MACGREGOR Birth: 19 DEC 1825/ Christening: 25 DEC 1825 Perth, Perth, Scotland
2. MARGARET MACGREGOR Birth: 19 MAR 1827/ Christening: 25 MAR 1827 Perth, Perth, Scotland
4. DONALD MACGREGOR Birth: 27 DEC 1829/ Christening: 10 JAN 1830 Perth, Perth, Scotland
5. CHRISTIAN MACGREGOR Birth: 23 MAR 1832/ Christening: 15 APR 1832 Perth, Perth, Scotland
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Monica
Thanks, once again, for taking the time.
It seems that the 2nd family did their christening shortly after the births of their children.
As far as the first family with Margaret Dunn ... His older brother, Duncan, was born 23 feb 1823 ,....which would only allow 7 months for 'our' James to be born ie: 14 Aug 1823.
James and Lydia's children's names also do not provide any clues with the exception of , Nellie Grant McGregor, Franklin's younder sister.
arrghhhhh where do we go from here ?
deb
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middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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MonicaLesl
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Deb
To be honest, I'm not focusing so hard on the precise dates for James birth given how these can vary over the years. The Margaret Dunn family certainly is the closest so far (that date for Duncan is a christening date so not clear what his birth month would have been).
I don't know what the early censuses in Canada are like and when they start from. If James states he left Scotland c. 1832, the dream ticket is to find him with family in these early years.
I get frustrated at this stage because I haven't got access to these censuses and have to sit on my hands for this bit!
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Deb
Have the deaths of Lydia and James........
DEATH - Lydia McGREGOR nee OUTHOUSE
In Division of Euphemia in County of Lambton, Ontario
Lydia McGREGOR died 19 Jul 1914, age 73 years, 10 mths and 12 days.
A widowed Farmers wife, died of Pernicious Anaemia
Was born: Bothwell Ontario
Died at: address: Lot 16, Concession 3 (This is a description of their Farm holding I think)
Her parents named as William OUTHOUSE and Lydia OUTHOUSE (differs from the website which said her parents were Joseph OUTHOUSE and Elizabeth McDIARMIND!)
Informant was her son, Alex McGREGOR of Bothwell Ontario.
DEATH - James McGREGOR
In Division of Euphemia in County of Lambton, Ontario
James McGREGOR age 77, a married Farmer, died 18 May 1904, of Lot 16, Concession 3
He was born Scotland. COD was Heart Disease. Religion: Presbyterian
(This record format has no provision for information regarding parents)
(This age at death brings his DOB back to ca1827)
Some links for Lambton County
http://www.lambtonogs.org/
http://www.lambtonogs.org/cemetaries-euphemia.html
http://www.geneofun.on.ca/db.php?database=cgwcems&&index=12715&template=cgwcems-showON.html
Looks like James and Lydia are buried in - or at least mentioned on a headstone or burial record -of Fansher Cemetery
Names associated with the Fansher United cemetery Euphemia Township Concession 4 lot 17
MCGREGOR , Freddie Roy
MCGREGOR , Grace (Tinney)
MCGREGOR , James
MCGREGOR , Louisa Maud
MCGREGOR , Lydia
MCGREGOR , Margaret
MCGREGOR , Wallace
It looks as if though, there are 2 Fansher Cemeteries in the area - and that the McGREGOR's above are associated with the Florence one:--
http://webhome.idirect.com/~griffish/gene/cem/cemf.html
FANCHER UNITED CHURCH CEMETERY
TOWNSHIP OF EUPHEMIA
R.R. #2
BOTHWELL
N0P 1C0
519-695-2312
LOT 18, CONC. 3
ACTIVE
FANSHER UNITED CHURCH CEMETERY
FANSHER CEMETERY BOARD
R. R. #2
FLORENCE
N0P 1R0
519-695-5732
LOT 17, CONC. 4
ACTIVE
A headstone incscription may or may not further the search for James' background.
Another link:
http://www.lambtonogs.org/census.html
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ambly
Thanks .... 
you have been great ... so further to James b Scotland ...we have several years for his year of birth ...
1824
1826
1827
So both James' with Margaret as mother and Donald as dad ..could be correct ...arrggghhhh ...none of the names give give us clues .... except for the really out there ones ...like Wellington ... LOL
re; Lydia's mother's name ...maybe Alex was distraught ...or person receiving info got confused ?
deb ....
Ps ...Hi karen ... thanks
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middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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Hey Deb, long time no chat
Marriage Registration for:
Malcolm McGregor
Age: 23
Residence when married: Euphemina
Place of birth: Canada
Bachelor
Occupation: farmer
Parents: James & Lydia McGregor
Susan Stacey
Age: 22
Residence when married: Dover
Place of birth: Canada
Spinster
Parents: James & Mary Stacey
Names & Addresses of Witnesses: George Bishop, Dover
Date of Marriage: Sept. 26, 1888, Dover
Religion of both: Methodist
County of Kent, Division of Dover
Reg. NO. 005614
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/1871-ontario/001016-100.01-e.php
This is a link to the Canadain Archives - Head of Household 1871 Census Index for Ontario....
I searched keywords McGREGOR Euphemia
3 results of Interest
MCGREGOR, James- age 43, Farmer, b Scotland (abt 1828) Presbyterian,
District Bothwell (003), Sub District : Euphemia, Division 2, pg 34
MCGREGOR, John - 60, Farmer, b Scotland (abt 1811), Presbyterian,
District Bothwell (003), Sub District : Euphemia, Division 2, pg 32
MCGREGOR, MARGARET - 73, b Scotland (abt 1798), Presbyterian
District Bothwell (003), Sub District : Euphemia, Division 2, pg 1
I would say James is probably 'our James' - but what of the other two (seperate householld, John and Margaret are Heads of their own Households............
And I found this....
A Wellington McGREGOR age 22, born Florence Ontario (abt 1869) married in 1891 in Chatham, district, Kent Co. Ontario to Mary BREEN age 21 b Chatham. They married in the Catholic faith. Wellington's parents are stated to be John McGREGOR and Mary OUTHOUSE.
mmmmm??
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PS - Monica - your cue I think
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