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Daisypetal
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Re: goseltine
« Reply #30 on: Friday 29 February 08 15:37 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi,
I found Sarah Ann GOSELTINE using www.findmypast.com I have a subscription and find it very good value for money as it includes other helpful databases, I also wouldn't be without Ancestry. Sometimes it seems expensive to get subscriptions but if you look at it say on a weekly/monthly basis compared to what is spent on other forms of entertainment it's worth it 
Especially if you're addicted like me 
Daisy
Thanks Debbie
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alison1970
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« Reply #31 on: Friday 29 February 08 21:09 GMT (UK) » |
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Thanks for the site info Daisypetal.
Debbie: Please can you tell me where Hawkin Thomas and Sarah Nethercliff fit in, i am a bit confused, were they witnesses to the marriage??
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Alison
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carol8353
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« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 13:25 GMT (UK) » |
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In 1891 the Gertie Goseltine is down as John Fenn's grandaughter age 7.
She is indeed the Clara Gertrude that Daisy Petal found earlier.
But I believe her parents are John's daughter Elizabeth Fenn and Thomas Goseltine who married in Reading in Dec 1881 ref 2c page 793.
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Carol
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« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 13:55 GMT (UK) » |
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Hi carol
thanks for that connection, i did have gerti down on that cenus, but was wondering where the relationship between them had come from.
Sarah had a brother Called Thomas that showed up on the census.
In the 1871 census Sarah is living in Shinfield, Berks.
Head of house: Henry Attawell.
Wife: Elizabeth Attawell.
Son of Henry: John Attawell, Age 9.
Daughter of Henry: Elisa Attawell, Age 7.
Son of Henry: Henry Attawell, Age 4.
Son of Elizabeth: Thomas Goseltine, Age 14.
Daughter of Elizabeth: Sarah Goseltine, Age 11.
Son of Elizabeth: George Goseltine, Age 7.
this is the census for Sarah showing her living with her mother and step father , after her birth fathers death.
I wonder now if this is the same thomas Goseltine who married Elizabeth fenn.
This would maybe indicate how John and Sarah met in the first place.
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Alison.
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« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 13:58 GMT (UK) » |
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opps hope i have not just deactivated this topic!!!!!
hit wrong button by mistake 
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carol8353
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« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 14:18 GMT (UK) » |
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Do you know for certain that Sarah's maiden name was Goseltine?
Have you purchased any of her marriage certs or have you found Herbert(who seeems to have married as HUBERT) 's birth cert?
This IS a very complicated family isn't it 
Carol
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« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 14:41 GMT (UK) » |
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I have not purchased certificates, but my dad was born in 1935 and remembers some of the relations. He said Sarah was definenately a Goseltine, and i have been working on the following births/ deaths and census info. makes for a long post, but if i list what i am working on it may help.
There was some confusion over my great grandads christian name, who origionaly my dad said was also a herbert, but this was wrong and it was infact (hopefully) John.
John was born in 1822 in Coggeshell, Essex.
At the age of 20 in 1841 john was residing at Great illford, Barking, Essex with John and Jane Wiltshire, working as their Stable hand.
The 1851 Census shows John was residing at 32 Eccleston Mews, Westminster.
Head of house: John Fenn, Age 29 Occupation was a Groom.
Wife: Jane Fenn, Age 24.
Son: George Fenn, Age 1. (It is believed that George died before he was 10 as there is no mention of him in any other census.)
In 1861 the census shows John residing Stratfieldsaye, Hampshire.
Head of house: John Fenn, Age 39, Occupation Groom.
Wife: Jane Fenn, Age 34.
Son: John Fenn, Age 11.
Son: Joseph Fenn, Age 2. (There is no mention of this child in later census.)
In 1871 the census shows John residing at the old dairy house, Stratisfield.
Head of house: John Fenn, Age 49 Occupation Groom.
Wife: Jane Fenn, Age 45.
Daughter: Elizabeth Fenn, Age 9.
In 1881 the census shows john residing at Duke of Wellingtons Premises, Stratfieldsaye, Hampshire, England.
Head of house: john Fenn, Age 59, Occupation groom/Domestic
Wife: Jane Fenn, Age 54.
Daughter: Elizabeth Fenn, Age 20.
Jane Fenn died in March 1885, Aged 58.
In September 1888 the Marriage of john Fenn to Sarah Anne Goseltine is recorded at Tendring Essex.
In the 1891 census, John is living at Guildford, Surrey.
Head of house: John Fenn, Age 69. Living of off own means.
Wife: Sarah Anne Fenn, Age 30.
Son: Herbert Fenn, Age 4 months.
Grandaughter: Gerti Goseltine, Age 7.
In the 1901 census John is living at 41Radstock Road , Reading, Berks.
Head of house: John Fenn, Age 79. Living of off own means.
Wife: Sarah Fenn, Age 39.
Son: Herbert Fenn, Age 10.
John Fenn’s Death is recorded in December 1903 Reading, Berks. Age 82.
Sarah Anne Goseltine 1860 – 1948.
Sarah was born in 1860 in Wokingham, Berks. Her Father was George Goseltine and her mother was Elizabeth Ball. George and Elizabeth Married in Reading in December 1854.
In the 1861 census Sarah was living at Shinfield, Berks.
Head of house: George goseltine, Age 33.
Wife: Elizabeth Goseltine. Age 34.
Son: Thomas Goseltine, Age 4.
Daughter: Sarah Anne Goseltine, Age 1.
George Goseltine died in September 1864, in Wokingham, Berks.
In 1869 Elizabeth Goseltine Nee Ball remarried.
Her Marriage is registered as: Henry Attawell to Elizabeth Goseltine
December 1869, married at Wokingham, Reading.
Both had children from their previous marriages.
In the 1871 census Sarah is living in Shinfield, Berks.
Head of house: Henry Attawell.
Wife: Elizabeth Attawell.
Son of Henry: John Attawell, Age 9.
Daughter of Henry: Elisa Attawell, Age 7.
Son of Henry: Henry Attawell, Age 4.
Son of Elizabeth: Thomas Goseltine, Age 14.
Daughter of Elizabeth: Sarah Goseltine, Age 11.
Son of Elizabeth: George Goseltine, Age 7.
In 1874, both Henry and Elizabeth die.
Deaths are recorded as: Elizabeth Attawell, Born 1827, died June 1874, at Wokingham, Berks.
Henry Attawell Born 1827, died September 1874, at Wokingham, Berks.
In the 1881 census, foe Reading, it shows the Goseltine children residing with different families.
Head of house: David Cooper, Age 35.
Wife: Mary A. Cooper, Age 29.
Daughter: Edith E. Cooper, Age 7.
Border: George Goseltine, Age 17, occupation Seedsman Clerk.
Sarah Anne Goseltine was now working as a Domestic Servant
Head of house: Elizabeth Bourne, Age 78.
Son: Robert Bourne, Age 38.
Border: Sarah Anne Goseltine, Age 21, Domestic Servant.
Thomas Goseltine is now living in Sheffield, Hampshire, working as a Groom.
Sarah Anne Goseltine went on to marry John Fenn in 1888. After John’s death in 1903, Sarah remarried to Eli Pepler.
The Marriage was registered as: Eli Pepler to Sarah Anne Fenn, December 1908, Reading Berks.
Eli Pepler was born in 1940 in Wiltshire, England, his occupation was a Baker and he was previously married to Leah Tarrent, and had 5 children.
2 sons Francis and Alfred and 3 daughters Kate, Ada and Jane.
Leah his first wife died in 1907 .
Eli Pepler died in September 1914, Aged 74 in Reading, Berks.
In 1916 Sarah married again to Richard Jennings.
Sarah died herself in June 1948, Aged 88. Her name upon death was Sarah Anne Jennings.
Sorry for the big post, hope this helps. Its all very confusing and to a novice like me, the help from this forum has been great.
regards
Alison
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Re: goseltine
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 15:15 GMT (UK) » |
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Alison,
You really do need to purchase one or two certs.
Otherwise you could end up chasing the wrong family,as many of us have done before you 
Carol
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