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Topic: "MUTTONEYE" - Henry Lowther bc1886 (Read 987 times)
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jennifer c
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Hi, Are you looking for him in any census, or do you already have that?
What information have you got?
Jennifer
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r m doughty
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Hello
i remember Muttoneye he used to play his harmonium outside the Odeon cinema Mile End . and outside west end cinema's but i am sorry i do not know any of his history just remember him he was a character always wore a bowler hat
regards
Marie.
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DianaC
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Hi all!
I am smiling reading this as I am Muttoneye's granddaughter. The stories I get from my mum about him always make me smile, he definitely was a character ! I have just started trying to compile a family tree and he really is hard to track down, I think he went by the name of Lowther but my mum (Fread Lowther) says that his father's name was Reuben Silverman or Pressman. He never married my grandmother although they lived together and had 4 daughters, Frances, Freda, Penelope and Jospehine. My mum is in her 80's now and she can't remember too much more about his parents, any help would be gratefully received!
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Glynis56
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been wrestling for 20 mins couldn't see the reply box!!!!! Ok I'm Fanny Lowther's granddaughter Muttoneye her brother " Suey's " been talking to you we have the same info more or less and as she is part of the Rueben side ofthe family we have done really well but any info you have on Uncle Harry Lottie Billy would be great Daph was asking about a diana said she used to see her at Fannies would that be you or your mum .
I have limited contact with Lotties son (by another husband) and good contact with others of rueben's family..
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DianaC
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Hi Glynis!
I will try to get more information for you but I have been trying to contact my mum all day with no luck, I do remember hearing about mums aunt Fanny, but the Diana Daph remembers is not me or my mum, my mum's name is Freda. Muttoneye had 4 daughters with my mum's mum who was Emily Jane Jacks or Squires - they were not married. The only contact I have with the Lowthers is my mum's sisters, Aunty Penny (I have always thought she was Penelope but may have been christened Henrietta) and Aunty Frances the other daughter of Muttoneye with Emily Squires was Josie but she died about 10 years ago. I do believe that Harry was married before he met my grandmother - I would love to know if anybody has any photos of Reuben or Hannah - unlikely I know but one can hope !
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suey
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Hi Sanders 
This is all I have of the poem....you will see it says 'part of' so I assume it is only part of the poem, not been able to find any more despite google search 
Bermondsey Poem
Part of a Poem dedicated to Canon Arbuthnott by Terrence Dinan
Bermondsey, my Bermondsey, never out of my mind.
A place on the map, one can easily find.
Where are the houses, the folk that I knew?
The streets have all changed, and faces are new.
Remember Dockhead? And Father Murnane?
A priest to whom no one e'er turned to in vain.
A man for the people, in Church or at Court.
He lived for his parish, for his parish he fought.
The Catholic Procession, What an annual event!
Those streets lined with people, and many knees bent.
The hymns and the floats, the lorries and vans.
The noise and the hush, the prayers and the bands.
Those Orpington boys, their pillbox on head.
Their drum and fife band, the tears that were shed.
Those bright sturdy lads, orphans each and every one.
Touched the hearts of us all, our feelings were wrung.
The Downside and Fisher, Remember those clubs?
Kept lads off the streets, and out of the pubs.
The pursuit was sport, and all played the game.
Danny Lynch and some others, achieved national fame.
Father Stephen who sponsored and founded both clubs.
And Freddie Kirkpatrick, who reined in the subs.
The war changed it all, and many are gone.
The rest are old men, but Club spirit lives on.
Remember the cinemas, 'The Storks' and 'The Star'?
A sidedoor conveniently, left on the jar.
One crept up the stairs, and bided one's time.
Then mixed with the crowd. Who'd call it a crime?
Remember the pubs, 'The Hole in the Wall',
'The Stingo' and 'Feathers', 'The Moonies' and all?
And old 'Muttoneye' wedged in the door of a bar,
with harmonium he'd carried, goodness knows from how far!
Bermondsey, Bermondsey, we were all of us poor.
No violence, no muggings, we kept to the law.
The neighbours so close, and the people so kind.
Those faces and places, never fade from my mind.
The epitome of my passion for Bermondsey - my first and last home
Hope this helps
Suey
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All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukSussex - Knapp. Nailard. Potten. Coleman. Pomfrey. Carter. Picknell Greenwich/Woolwich. - Clowting. Davis. Kitts. Ferguson. Lowther. Carvalho. Pressman. Redknap. Argent. Hertfordshire - Sturgeon. Bird. Rule. Claxton. Taylor. Braggins.  |
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Sandersteadlion
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Hi Suey
That fills in the five missing lines of my version . 
I am also checking it out with the Priest at Dockhead, Holy Trinity Church. I will post what I find out.
Thanks for your kind help! 
Sanders
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