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Bill749
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HI Deb
I'm not at all worried about "bulk" christenings - they were not uncommon; my grandmother was baptised on 29th April 1885, along with 3 brothers and a sister. I have always thought it might have been a way of saving money!
Grace died when Ellen was just one year old, so Samuel would have needed someone to look after the baby - Hannah was 15, but may not have been living at home at the time - so he would have turned to a close friend, neighbour, or family member (the latter seems likely in this case) who could move in and act as "housekeeper".
It was also not uncommon for such a "housekeeper" to quickly become rather more than just a nursemaid for the children! In this case it seems to have happened before wife no. 1 was cold in her grave, as Alfred was born about one year after Grace's death.
There is, of course, another possibility to consider here, particularly if Mary Ann was a widow: if she were widowed during her pregnancy she, also, would have needed someone to take care of her unborn child, and it would have suited both of them to marry - allbeit illegally - as soon as possible!
The plot thickens!!
Bill
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Banks, Beer, Bowes, Castle, Cloak, Coachworth, Dixon, Farr, Golder, Graves, Hicks, Hogbin, Holmans, Marsh, Mummery, Nutting, Pierce, Rouse, Sawyer, Sharp, Snell, Willis: mostly in East Kent. Ey, Sawyer: London Evans: Ystradgynlais, Wales Snell: Snettisham, Norfolk Knight, Burgess, Ellis: Hampshire Purdy: Ireland/Canada/Durham/Pennsylvania McCann: Ireland Morrow: Pennsylvania Sparnon: any Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Bill ..
Wish I could find more on your Gt Gt Grandmother's direct family ...I will keep looking ...
Further to : Samuel Leary and Mary Ann Leary's family:
1881
Finsbury, Islington
10 Denmark st
Mary A Leary head wid 57 b Exeter
Alfred J Leary unm 31 compositor b St pancras
1891
Mary A Leary is by herself , wid, 67 and living on her own means
1901
New Maldon Surrey
Rosemont
Henry Rheinlander head mar 51 photographer b Bethnal Green
AGNES wife mar 43 b St Pancras
Edam son 14 b Bansbury?
Arthur son 10 b "
Ethel dau 5 B "
MARY A LEARY m-i-l wid 77 Living on own means b exeter
Agnes Hannah LEARY = Henry Charles RHEINLANDER
sept q 1879 St Pancras
death:
Frank James LEARY ; Dec q 1861 Clerkenwell
can't find Alfred James Leary in 1881/91 ...nor a death
deb
oops just seen your post ..will post this and read yours 
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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Bill749
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Bansbury?
Probably Oxon (Oxfordshire), Banbury.
Edam
FreeBMD has:
Edgar Alfred, Mar 1887
Arthur Henry, Dec 1890
Ethel Agnes, Jun 1895
All Islington
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Hey Bill ...
I think I have found the Family of James LEARY , Possible Twin of Samuel b 1809...ie; Your Henry's other younger brother ....
do you want me to do this side too ?? 
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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Bill749
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Phew Deb! 
I can hardly keep up with typing up this family!! 
If you are happy to keep looking I am happy to keep receiving - you never know when something interesting may turn up (not that it isn't all very interesting). After all, we still don't know who Mary Ann (2nd wife of Samuel) was, do we?
Many, many, heart-felt thanks for your efforts.
Bill
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Banks, Beer, Bowes, Castle, Cloak, Coachworth, Dixon, Farr, Golder, Graves, Hicks, Hogbin, Holmans, Marsh, Mummery, Nutting, Pierce, Rouse, Sawyer, Sharp, Snell, Willis: mostly in East Kent. Ey, Sawyer: London Evans: Ystradgynlais, Wales Snell: Snettisham, Norfolk Knight, Burgess, Ellis: Hampshire Purdy: Ireland/Canada/Durham/Pennsylvania McCann: Ireland Morrow: Pennsylvania Sparnon: any Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gt gt grandma, Mary Ann (= Thomas SNELL) died aged 40 in Sept 1/4 1874. Thomas later married Elizabeth Caroline SAUNDERS (nee BEER), a widow from Dover, who was my gt grandfather's aunt, and she became step-mother to Alice Maria.
Great grandad (Alfred Albert BEER) and gt grandma (Alice Maria SNELL) were step-cousins.
I only discovered this complicated relationship fairly recently, after puzzling for 20 years about how they came to meet.
Now, with your help, I have not only got her mother's maiden name, but have gone back 2 further generations on her mother's father's line and 3 on her mother's mother's line!! 
I now have a tree, starting from John Leary, born in the 1700s, which shows 9 generations of his descendents down to my sisters new great grandchild, born last week. (I can trace her ancestors back 16 generations on 2 lines!)
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a new occupation here .... re; James Leary b c 1809/10 brother of Samuel (twin?) and your Henry
1841
Goldsmith st , St Paul , Exeter
Jas LEARY 30 bakers J (ourneyman) Y
with other people
1841
Pancras st, St Pancras
Louisa LEARY 25 baker Y
James 6 Y
Ann 4 Y
Louisa 2 Y
William 1 month Y
James LEARY = Louisa GULLICE
26 jan 1835 Holy Trinity , Exeter
IGI ext
1851
St Pancras , Exeter
New building
James LEARY head mar 41 Journeyman Baker
Louisa wife 36
James 15 errand boy
Ann 13 errand girl
Louisa 11 scholar
William 9 "
Samuel 7 "
Elizabeth 4
Mary Ann 2
all born Exeter
1861
4 Darby building
James LEARY head mar 61 baker (journeyman)
Louisa wife 44 occ: errr it looks like sextoness ...  
Louisa dau 22 dressmaker
Samuel 17 Printer comp. app .... heres the other family's occ. coming into play
Mary 12
Henry 10
Alfred 6
1871
Waterbeer Lane , Pancras st
James LEARY head mar 62 baker
Louisa 57 ...no occ.
Mary A 22 dress maker
Henry 19 smith
Alfred 16 compositor
Henry James Leary b 1810, died june 1877 Exeter
phew , deb
the family is GROWING !!!
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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Okay ...this is what we have found so far on the Leary side
Daniel Leary 15 Feb 1801
John Leary 7 april 1799
Samuel Leary 20 apr 1803, died 12 Apr 1804 (IGI ext)
Henry Leary 30 Sept 1804, occ; ostler = Mary Pollard (d/o Ezekiel Pollard and Wilhelmina Spicer)
Samuel Leary 21 Dec 1809 occ Printer compositor = 1. Grace ?? and 2 Mary Ann Leary
James Leary 21 Dec 1809 occ; Baker ... possibly twin to Samuel = Louisa GULLICE
now for John and Daniel ..LOL
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
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Bill749
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errr it looks like sextoness
Seamstress?
Louisa LEARY 25 baker Y
I'm guessing this should have said "Baker's wife", as she appears to have been a seamstress (one daughter later became a dressmaker) in the later census.
Henry Leary b 1810, died june 1877 Exeter
Can't quite work out where he fits in at the moment! Getting brain overload!!
Bill
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hi Bill
def. looks like sextoness ... LOL
Henry Leary b 1810, died june 1877 Exeter Can't quite work out where he fits in at the moment! Getting brain overload!! Bill
ooops ...should be JAMES LEARY died 1877 not HENRY 
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Hi Deb
Some of those old census returns can be difficult to read can't they?
As 2 of her children became dressmakers, I think we can be pretty confident it was dressmaker - I can't imagine her digging graves in the local churchyard!
Bill
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Hi Bill
Okay ...this is what I have done ... I tried to find Mary Ann Leary 2nd wife of Samuel in 1851 ...no luck.
So I have been through all the male Leary marriages 1814-1851 in Devon and then Middlesex ... Phew!
I found this marriage ..
Mary Ann Allen = Denis LEARY
mar q 1847
Kensington
Mary Ann always says she was born 1824 , Exeter...
I found a Mary Ann Allen with her parents James and Maria bc 1826 (rounded down ?)...she was 15 in 1841 living in St Paul , exeter.
then IGI extracted
Mary Ann ALLEN
chr; 12 sept 1824, St Paul, Exeter
parents; James Cloade Allen and Anna Maria
there are 4 possible deaths of Denis Leary between 1847-1850
It doesn't help that I can't find any of these people in 1851 ...that may solve all the mysteries...
anyway ...what do you think?
deb
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arrgghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Just found Mary Ann Allen in 1851 with her parents
back to the drawing board
deb 
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Hmmmm!
Certainly does look like Sextoness!! This is defined as a female sexton, or wife of a sexton. Maybe her husband was a sexton in his spare time?
A Sexton was responsible for the care and upkeep of the church and sometimes for ringing the bells and digging graves - still doesn't seem a very likely job for a woman in the 1860s.
Looking through various census returns for 1861 (Google search) reveals a number of widows listed with this occupation!
Bill
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well I learn something every day ...I have never come across a sextoness ...I didn't even know what it meant ...so thanks for the lesson ....
Maybe after baking bread and goodies all day , they needed some fresh air and exercise.
bbs ...have to pop out...
I have found Daniel leary and family .... Daniel = older brother of Henry and brothers ...
deb
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