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Topic: Is St Mary's catholic church in Chilvers Coton still there? (Read 702 times)
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Al in Vane
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Rosemary, Thomas wasn't listed in 1903 at all so obviously didn't qualify for voting, I will check on the 1911 at New Wharf, which was in Coventry Road by the canal. There used to be a Wharf Inn there and I spent many a happy Sunday evening with parents in the garden. There was a boat house next to it where we used to explore, probably have to be fenced off in these PC days now! I knew of no houses by the canal so maybe he was staying at the Inn, I will try to find a photo for you. Click on http://www2.mihalis.net/canal/cgi-bin/newgaz.cgi?where=chilvers
This is the new bridge and you can see the tops of the new houses where the Wharf Inn stood.
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Hi Al
Thanks for the link. You're right, maybe he was in room somewhere, although by that time he had two children as well.
Nice to see parts of Chilvers Coton that I will probably never get to see in real life 
Rosemary
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GROGGINS, GLASSON, FARRELLY, PYE, CAMPBELL, HENVY, GLAVE - Ireland, Whitehaven (Cumberland)
BEARDEN, BOWMAN - Whitehaven/Beckermet Cumberland
ROONEY, WARD, MALONE - Ireland, Cleator Moor (Cumberland)
MAIN, CUTTER, CLAYTON, PRYKE - Thetford, Swaffham (Norfolk)
FORD/E - Ireland, Warwickshire England
COULTHARD - Whitehaven/Workington (Cumberland)
DWAN - Ireland
LAWSON - Isle of Man, Whitehaven
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Al in Vane
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Not far from Cumbria to Nuneaton, Rosemary! I have a brother living near Lancaster who we occasionally pop up for the day to see.
I checked the 1911 but Thomas was not on the lists.
You say he left his wife in 1911, as a matter of interest where did he end up and where was your uncle born?
Just being nosy 
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Hi Al
He ended up in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, after a short spell in Glasgow where my uncle was born. It'sa long and complicated story, hopefully all coming to the surface.
Rosemary
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GROGGINS, GLASSON, FARRELLY, PYE, CAMPBELL, HENVY, GLAVE - Ireland, Whitehaven (Cumberland)
BEARDEN, BOWMAN - Whitehaven/Beckermet Cumberland
ROONEY, WARD, MALONE - Ireland, Cleator Moor (Cumberland)
MAIN, CUTTER, CLAYTON, PRYKE - Thetford, Swaffham (Norfolk)
FORD/E - Ireland, Warwickshire England
COULTHARD - Whitehaven/Workington (Cumberland)
DWAN - Ireland
LAWSON - Isle of Man, Whitehaven
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Hi Al
Since I was last in contact with you, I have Thomas' youngest daughter's birth certificate. It gives the address of the family on March 9th 1911 as 91 Coventry Road, Chilvers Coton. Thomas' occupation is given as coal miner.
I now have a newspaper cutting (a copy) about Thomas when he was awarded the MM in WW1. It says that he worked at Charity colliery before we joined up.
As you were so kind to look in the electors lists for me last time, I wondered if you could double check that address in 1911, and maybe 1912?
He joined the Yorks and Lancs regt (enlisting in Pontefract) in 1914. Maybe he was still in Nuneaton until then, I don't know. His movements are a bit sketchy, but my newly-discovered half cousin and myself are working together on the family secrets
Rosemary
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GROGGINS, GLASSON, FARRELLY, PYE, CAMPBELL, HENVY, GLAVE - Ireland, Whitehaven (Cumberland)
BEARDEN, BOWMAN - Whitehaven/Beckermet Cumberland
ROONEY, WARD, MALONE - Ireland, Cleator Moor (Cumberland)
MAIN, CUTTER, CLAYTON, PRYKE - Thetford, Swaffham (Norfolk)
FORD/E - Ireland, Warwickshire England
COULTHARD - Whitehaven/Workington (Cumberland)
DWAN - Ireland
LAWSON - Isle of Man, Whitehaven
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Al in Vane
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Rosemary,
In 1911 there were only eighteen houses listed in Coventry Road and he wasn't amongst them. The year starts on December 31st of the previous year (so 1910 in that case) so perhaps they did not move there until shortly before the baby was born.
Better luck in 1912 as he was there at number 91 when 33 were listed. Still there in 1913 but not in 1914 in fact that address was not listed which perhaps means his wife was still there but obviously had not the vote. In 1915 it is listed but Albert Chambers lived there
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You're a star Al 
This is good news for me. It means that my grandfather didn't actually leave his wife until probably when he signed up for the war in August 1914. He was shell-shocked during the war, and spent time in a London hospital before meeting my grandmother in 1919.
I recently found another grandson of Thomas, who told me that Thomas walked out on the family just after the birth of his third child, which was 1911. He apparently went out for a bag of sugar and didn't come back. I think maybe the story has been altered slightly going by your findings.
Thank you for your help - it's given me another little piece of the puzzle.
Rosemary
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GROGGINS, GLASSON, FARRELLY, PYE, CAMPBELL, HENVY, GLAVE - Ireland, Whitehaven (Cumberland)
BEARDEN, BOWMAN - Whitehaven/Beckermet Cumberland
ROONEY, WARD, MALONE - Ireland, Cleator Moor (Cumberland)
MAIN, CUTTER, CLAYTON, PRYKE - Thetford, Swaffham (Norfolk)
FORD/E - Ireland, Warwickshire England
COULTHARD - Whitehaven/Workington (Cumberland)
DWAN - Ireland
LAWSON - Isle of Man, Whitehaven
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Very interesting story but what happened to the wife he left behind, did she re-marry or bring the children up on her own? Presumably you must have family still in this area?
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Hi Al
His first wife didn't re-marry, she brought the children up on her own, but I don't know how she went about benefits etc. I'm sure they would have checked up on Thomas to make sure if he was still alive or not. Although I don't know if benefits existed in those days for single mothers, maybe more like parish relief donations.
I don't know if there are still family there, I've only found out about Thomas being from Warwickshire a few months ago after 18 years of looking. My mam and uncle always thought he was born in Ireland, and moved over here when he was young to join the army. I now know that wasn't right. His parents were both born in Mayo, Ireland, and as the area was mainly Irish neighbours, maybe he picked up the accent from them, I'm not 100% sure about that part.
I think he fabricated a few stories to cover up his earlier life, and neither families knew about each other.
None of his first three children are alive. I am in contact with one of his grandchildren, who doesn't have many details, and doesn't live in Warwickshire any more.
I am trying to find connections with his sisters and brothers. I am in contact now with one of his sister's grandchildren. We are putting parts of the puzzle together, and it's been lovely to find out about some of the family. I've now got photos of three of his sisters.
One of his brothers, James, was still living in Chilvers Coton in 1901, he had three daughters then. I found somebody on Ancestry with a connection to that family, but they haven't replied yet.
I'm sure I will find out lots more over the next few months.
You've been a great help Al, it's strange to think that my family lived there, I've never been to that part of the country, apart from driving through Birmingham to get to Cornwall etc
Rosemary
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GROGGINS, GLASSON, FARRELLY, PYE, CAMPBELL, HENVY, GLAVE - Ireland, Whitehaven (Cumberland)
BEARDEN, BOWMAN - Whitehaven/Beckermet Cumberland
ROONEY, WARD, MALONE - Ireland, Cleator Moor (Cumberland)
MAIN, CUTTER, CLAYTON, PRYKE - Thetford, Swaffham (Norfolk)
FORD/E - Ireland, Warwickshire England
COULTHARD - Whitehaven/Workington (Cumberland)
DWAN - Ireland
LAWSON - Isle of Man, Whitehaven
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Al in Vane
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Glad to have helped in a small way Rosemary.
The First World War was notorious for men not returning to their families and there were quite a lot of bigamous marriages, I have a friend who relates of one such in her family and the man was found out and put in prison for a short spell!
I do not know of benefits, if the man was killed did the widow get help in bringing up her family, not sure but I know my wife's grandmother had to leave her house because she could not afford to live there after it happened to her husband.
Good luck in your further research.
Al
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