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Re: Dunbar-Hill Help needed
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 23 February 08 09:40 GMT (UK) »
Cert should be here by the end of feb hope it sorts some thing for me
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Re: Dunbar-Hill Help needed
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 23 February 08 18:29 GMT (UK) »
Dont forget to let us know.We wait with bated breath!
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Re: Dunbar-Hill Help needed
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 27 February 08 13:58 GMT (UK) »
Got the marriage cert for Frances Clementina Hill no Dunbar on it though.he father was Thomas Clem Hill rank or profession gentleman.
Not a lot of help but will see what her birth cert say`s when it arrives.
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Re: Dunbar-Hill Help needed
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 28 February 08 10:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi Susan

More circumstantial evidence there - her father's first names  being Thomas Clement - pointing very firmly in the expected direction. I would imagine she gave him the surname Hill to appear more respectible or perhaps she didn't know he was actually a Dunbar??

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
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« Reply #19 on: Thursday 28 February 08 12:24 GMT (UK) »
Well birth cert arrived today and I am non the wiser(not the brightest)but think you may be right about the older Frances.
Thomas clement DUNBAR colonel in army(father)
Frances Margaret Hill surname and maiden name of mother.
I understood the Dunbar to be the mothers maiden name and his Hill.
As you say doesn't look like he was a gentleman in the context that we mean it (lol)
Where do I go from here.
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Re: Dunbar-Hill Help needed
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 28 February 08 13:06 GMT (UK) »
I think you're luckier than the vast majority of illegitimate births - you have the name of the father actually confirmed on the birth certificate. And it confirms what that yonder peasant found in the 1871 census. We know Frances wasn't Col Dunbar's wife as he was still living with Caroline in 1871 and in 1881 Caroline was still around (although, perhaps tellingly, not in the same household as the colonel)

I think the two certificates confirm what we thought, and I'm confident that the census and baptism data that we found do relate to the right Frances M Hill

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
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Re: Dunbar-Hill Help needed
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 28 February 08 13:13 GMT (UK) »
Just been in touch with the cousin who gave me the info(her part of the tree really) she says she was told that he was the younger son who fell in love with Frances (servant) we are just surprised that it was passed down by word of mouth with no metion at all about him being marriedGives me a bit more to work on though.
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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 28 February 08 13:13 GMT (UK) »
That's really exciting confirmation Susan. Being a Colonel (and a gentleman  Grin ) there must be records of Thomas Clement Dunbar - you could pop over to the Armed forces board for advice.

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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
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Re: Dunbar-Hill Help needed
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 28 February 08 13:35 GMT (UK) »
Thank you janan I never thought of that.Did say I wasn't the brightest
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« Reply #24 on: Thursday 28 February 08 13:45 GMT (UK) »
Neither of the colonel's two sons was old enough to have fallen in love with Frances who was 29 in 1871 - the younger son, Clement, was only 1month old at that time! As with many of these family stories, there's an element of truth but the detail gets distorted. But it's there in black and white on the birth cert.

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Dunbar-Hill Help needed
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 10 April 08 14:07 BST (UK) »
Hi every one who has helped me so far guess who mucked up??yes me.I have the surnames the wrong way round she was the Hill he the Dunbar however a lot of the info you gave was correct so my thanks.
Having said that if any one finds any further info i would be more than pleased to receive it.
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Re: Dunbar-Hill Help needed
« Reply #26 on: Friday 11 April 08 13:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Susan

I don't think there was any confusion on our part, after the initial skirmishes  - she was always Frances HILL, and the father of her illegitimate child was a DUNBAR, and I think all the information you were given was on this basis. It's all panned out pretty well, considering!

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
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             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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« Reply #27 on: Friday 26 September 08 10:17 BST (UK) »
Still looking for help with this family and can`t even find them on the 1871 census even with the piece numbers given by yonder peasant,tried every thing I can think of and even got 2 other people to look.What we have been told is that Thomas may have been a twin and if this is correct HE show on 1871 census.
Any help will be more than appreciated.
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Re: Dunbar-Hill Help needed
« Reply #28 on: Friday 26 September 08 12:11 BST (UK) »
Ancestry has them indexed as Dunton, but the reference quoted by yonderpeasant works if you leave all the boxes blank

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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« Reply #29 on: Friday 26 September 08 12:30 BST (UK) »
Thomas Henry D Hill's birth was registered in Camberwell registration district in the Sept quarter 1877 under reference 1d 782. If he was a twin one would expect another Hill to be registered on the same page. There isn't one, nor on the pages either side.

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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