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Birth Cerificate
« on: Thursday 21 February 08 21:12 GMT (UK) »

Hello you good Folks.
I have just this min  joined & I'm feeling pretty nervous.
My Sister & I are banging our Heads over this one,  we are trying to find our
Grand-Mother's Birth...she was born in Middlesbrough not sure what part,
The year being 1869/70.
We do have her Marriage Cert,  Married also in Middlesbrough at St Marks-
Cathedral in the year 1888.
The name of my Grand-Mother is Annie Callaghan,  her Husband was a
Patrick Farrell.
Why is it so hard to get her Birth Cert...many thanks to one & all   June.
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 February 08 21:26 GMT (UK) »

Welcome to Rootschat  Grin Grin Grin

Do you have her on census'?
What was her fathers name on marriage cert?
Is the age on the marriage cert the only thing you have to go on?

sorry for all the questions but the more we know the easier it is (sometimes  Grin)
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 February 08 21:33 GMT (UK) »



Hi June,

Wishing you a warm welcome from me too ..

Hoping it isn't a silly question, but have you considered all the name variants ..  according to www.teesvalley-indexes.co.uk .. there is a Middlesbrough birth for an Ann Calligan .. but in 1872.

Kindest regards,

Pels
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 February 08 21:35 GMT (UK) »

I've just found her on the 1881 census I think Pels as Callaghan, parents Thomas and Ann.

If it is her it might be difficult getting further back as both parents and older brother were born in Ireland.  Looks like they came over between the children in about 1871
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 February 08 21:43 GMT (UK) »

Ann is not with them on the 1891, but it doesn't mean she married, she could be in service somewhere.  She could also have lied on the marriage cert about her age  Grin
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 February 08 21:57 GMT (UK) »

Well she is on the 1901 married aged 31, with a daughter aged Annie aged 11 also born Middlesbrough

Rg13/ 4574
folio 15
page 22

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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 February 08 22:01 GMT (UK) »




And June did say she has the marriage dated 1888 .. but I can't find them in 1891 ..
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 February 08 12:58 GMT (UK) »

Hello to all you good People who replied to my quest..looking for my Gran-
Mother's Birth.   one Annie Callaghan.
This is the info i have on her...Marriage Cert.
Married in the year 1888 to one  Patrick Farrell.
Annie's age 19 yrs.
Patrick's age 26 yrs.
Annie's Father...Patrick Callaghan..Deceased.
Patrick's Father...Lawrence  Farrell.
Married at ST Marks Cathedral   Middlesbrough.
We also have a Census Copy,  1901  that Annie was born in Middlesbrough.
It just so annoying  that we cant find her birth.
We would dearly love to know who her Mother was.
But i thank you all very much for your time & trouble you put into your info you
sent me.
To everyone who repled to me     A BIG BIG THANK YOU..June
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 February 08 13:15 GMT (UK) »

Hello June

Given that you are having such difficulty in finding a birth certificate, I wonder whether it is worth trying the baptism angle.

Teesside archives appear to have excellent collections both in relation to Anglican and Catholic churches in Middlesbrough: http://www.archivesnortheast.com/archivepage/teesside-archives.htm

According to the link, they offer a research service if you are unable to visit in person.

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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #9 on: Friday 22 February 08 13:50 GMT (UK) »

Hi There AVM.
Thank you for your E-Mail,   everyone has been so good to me on this site.
Best one yet.
My Sister has really been digging into the info you sent me..but come back with
no answers, even wrote to some Churches...but so far had no come-back from
them.
But i will try again,  (keeps me thinking..ha ha ).
Thank you again (Friend ).     June.
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #10 on: Friday 22 February 08 16:00 GMT (UK) »

Pels.......you were right

There is an Ann A Calligan in Middlesbrough on the 1881

RG11 4850 24 41

Mother Mary, a widow.

Middlesbrough indexes are very good in the fact that if you go to Ann Calligan birth on their site, born 1872 and bring up the record, click on middlesbrough and you can ask if her father was called Lawrence.  They will answer yes or no, no doesn't cost you, yes, you can order the cert.  Grin
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #11 on: Friday 22 February 08 16:24 GMT (UK) »

Hello Madpants.
I have tried to E-mail before but my Computer went down...sorry if you didn't
get my last message.
Was the address on the1881 called Union Cottages, & was there other
Children on it..names like Kate..David..Patrick jn,  also did it state two of those
Children were born in Wales.
Hope you dont mind me asking you (im being cheeky ).   but many thanks for the info.      regards   June.
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #12 on: Friday 22 February 08 16:43 GMT (UK) »

the address on the 81 was 10 brunswick Street, there was an older brother Dennis but no other children.

Were those her brothers and sisters?
Older, younger?
Where does Wales come into it?
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #13 on: Friday 22 February 08 16:55 GMT (UK) »

GOT THEM!  She was Anna on the 81  Roll Eyes

Union cottages got it.

RG11 4846 84 36
7 Union Cottages
Ann Calligan H 33               Ireland
Anna             Dau 12          Scholar M'bro
Kate              Dau 10           do          do
Patrick           Son 7            Wales
David             Son 2                do
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Re: Birth Cerificate
« Reply #14 on: Friday 22 February 08 17:10 GMT (UK) »

Why don't you try a siblings birth cert?

Patrick Callagan
Sept Q 1872
Crickhowell 11b 136

looks likely, others around the time not born in wales.
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