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jillruss
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IGI lists wife as 'Mrs'?
« on: Saturday 23 February 08 13:58 GMT (UK) »

I've found an IGI (a proper extract as opposed to a submitted one) which gives the marriage of John Lovel in Eton 22 Dec 1730 to "Anne Mrs Grove".

I've only ever come across this before on submitted IGIs where the submitter obviously didn't know the name of the bride so just called her Mrs whatever - so, in this case, she'd have been called Mrs Lovel.

My thinking is that this marriage to John Lovel must have been "Anne Mrs Grove"'s second marriage - the first being to Mr Grove!! Roll Eyes

However, I just can't find an earlier marriage between a Mr Grove and an Anne (not easy to search for, even on the Hugh Wallis site).

Would others agree with my assumption or am I missing something more obvious? Embarrassed

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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 23 February 08 14:17 GMT (UK) »

I've got several "Mrs [husbands name]" in the IGI, including ggg grandparents.

And I would be wary - in two cases the marriage did not exist: I've been through the Parish Registers with a fine tooth comb and they're not there.

In my case, they have found the first birth, deducted a year, and put in a ficticious wedding.

I have found an earlier birth in another parish and the real wedding in yet another.

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Re: IGI lists wife as 'Mrs'?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 February 08 14:30 GMT (UK) »

Hi Meles,

Yes - I'm used to those submitted IGIs, and I agree - they're not to be taken at face value.

The point is that this one is a proper extracted IGI and the name of "Anne Mrs Grove" is not the name of the groom - John Lovel.

I think it must mean that she is a widow, formerly married to a Mr Grove - I just wish I could find that marriage (and the husband's subsequent burial of course) and then I'd be sure.

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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 23 February 08 14:39 GMT (UK) »

Oh - I see what you mean.

I guess the only way is to explore the PRs for yourself. Are you near an LDS History Centre or other place to see them?

Or you could always ask one of us who is, to search for you.

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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 23 February 08 14:46 GMT (UK) »

I would think it could just as easily have been 'Anne something Grove, can't read it but it looks a bit like Anne Mrs Grove so I will transcribe it as such'. The IGI transcribers do not transcribe the status of either party and the marriage register would just state their status but would not give a title to the parties and even if it did it wouldn't surely be placed in the middle of the person's name?

I don't think you can assume anything - 'must have been' without the evidence to back it up and that can only come from the actual register entry itself. Words such as presumed and assumed are always very dangerous when you use them in conjunction with family history.

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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 23 February 08 15:07 GMT (UK) »

I take your point, Valda. I'd like to change my use of the word 'assumption' to 'deduction'!!! Grin

Actually, I've looked at the Eton marriage IGIs via the Hugh Wallis site and there are a few (not many: 4 or 5) other entries which have the same 'Mrs' inserted in the middle of the bride's name - and they're all around the same time.

So, I'm deducing (!! Cool

) that it was a peculiarity of the parish clerk (and we all know some of them were very peculiar indeed!! Roll Eyes

) and that it signifies the brides' widowed status.

If I ever get the chance to view the records, I hope I'll be able to confirm this theory - or not, as the case may be.

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Re: IGI lists wife as 'Mrs'?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 23 February 08 22:08 GMT (UK) »

In the 18th century, the use of Mrs as a title for a woman did not mean that she was married. It was used as a mark of respect for a lady of a better class than your ag lab's daughter, even when she was single. Is this likely to be the case here?

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 23 February 08 22:29 GMT (UK) »

I don't think so, Nell. I don't know anything about John Lovell yet but his daughter Elizabeth married a labourer - so, unlikely that they were 'grand'.

But you never know - so I'll try looking for the baptism of an Ann Grove rather than for the marriage pre 1730 of an Ann to a Mr Grove (which I can't find anyway).

Thanks,
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