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An65
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My family were Romany Gypsies - altho they wouldnt use the latter word. My great Grandad settled in a brick house in 1906, he was a horse dealer,and as the horse trade died off he turned his hand to scrap merchanting but still kept a hold of the horse business. My late uncle used to help out in the stables. But today all that is left is what would be called a gorgio family. But in our veins run black blood, we look like Gray gypsies, and I am extremely proud of my heritage, and I dnt care what others say about that.
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honey-roma88
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My family were the same about using the word gypsy. I think as long as it isn't meant badly it is ok for people to use it. It certainly doesn't offend me (unless it is used to offend) and I use it every now and again if it makes more sense than to use rom or traveller but I use it sparingly.
I just remind myself of the etymology of the word and it's a sweet story, pretending to be Egyptian royalty so people would accept them. 
My family settled a long while ago but most carried on marrying other romanies who had settled in the same area.
I hope I don't offend anyone when I use it but sometimes it is just easier. 
Oh and wood-gnome your family definitely sound like they are romani.
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Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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honey-roma88
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Grandad Cecil
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i see you have orchards in your line.i wonder if any are related to us.were they from somerset/devon?
My Orchard (Mary) came from Heytesbury, Wiltshire (I only know of one Orchard sadly). Heytesbury is right on the border with Somerset.
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Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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honey-roma88
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Grandad Cecil
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well i have a mary orchard from wiltshire in my tree.can you give me any dates or marriage or oerants and we will see if its the same one.regards cathayb
She is quite far back...I will go check. She was born c.1700 in Heytesbury although I think she married in Fisherton Anger (can't find her husband for some reason  ). Her father might have been called John (soooo helpful I know  ).
Thank you for looking.
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Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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wood_gnome
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Hi, The child who died in the caravan fire was called Colin Waite Hunter I think he was named after my Grandfather Harry Hunter's Uncle Colin and his Grandmother's maiden name, but the only Dinah Waite I can find the same age comes from York and on the 1871 census it says she was born in Driffield or Sheffield then the 1881 census says Leeds can't find any marriage certificate "if there is one". On my my Grandmother's marriage certificate it says Harry Hunter was a widower, don't know who he was married to before but my Grandmother had her first child to him in 1912 and went on to have 7 more before they got married in 1933 and then 1 more after they were married. My GGrandmother was born in a tent she was called Isabella Stewart she was born in Ripon and her father was called George he was born in Preston in a tent and died in a tent in Addingham. He was married to a Constance Grey she was born in Otley. Can't find any info on her.
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Vickers, Hunter, Stewart, Allen,Taylor, Page, Galloway, Jowett, Croft, Stocks, Harrison, Furbank, Grey -
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Banks, Stewart, Allen, McHugh, Bluett, Casey - Lancashire
Hunter,Stewart, Armstrong - Cumbria
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wood_gnome
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Hi Cathyayb, I took your advice and posted a message on Romanygenes just waiting to see if I get any replies. Thanks for the tip. Paul.
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Vickers, Hunter, Stewart, Allen,Taylor, Page, Galloway, Jowett, Croft, Stocks, Harrison, Furbank, Grey -
Yorkshire
Banks, Stewart, Allen, McHugh, Bluett, Casey - Lancashire
Hunter,Stewart, Armstrong - Cumbria
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wood_gnome
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Hi Cathayb, I was born in North Yorkshire but lived in Leeds for about 30 years. When I was working in Leeds about 1985 I got talking to a lad who used to do a bit totting around where I worked and he used call in once week to see if I had any scrap for him, any way we got talking and it turned out his father knew my Mother and all her family. The week after he came into the shop and he said he'd been talking to his Grandfather and he said he wanted to know if my Father was a gypsy as my Father was born in Holbeck in Leeds and his Grandfather lived in Holbeck he said when he was a lad there was a big family of gypsies in Holbeck with the same surname as mine. I said as far as I know he's not a gypsy, but said if you stood my Mother and Father side by side and said to the man in the street which ones a gypsy they'd pick my Father straight away.
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Vickers, Hunter, Stewart, Allen,Taylor, Page, Galloway, Jowett, Croft, Stocks, Harrison, Furbank, Grey -
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Banks, Stewart, Allen, McHugh, Bluett, Casey - Lancashire
Hunter,Stewart, Armstrong - Cumbria
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wood_gnome
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Hi, Update just found out my Father was a gypsy, emailed one of my sister's yesterday and she said that she'd told me 10 years ago that he was. She used to do child minding and thought she'd give fostering ago, so a social worker called round to see her. When she arrived she introduced herself as ***** Vickers and my sister said that's my maiden name so she said do they call your brothers and sisters and reeled off all our names and my Father's and Mother's and she said to my sister do you know your half gypsy, so my sister thought hey up she's going to have a dig at my Mother here, she then proceeds to tell my sister that my Father's family are all gypsies. My Father was the eldest of six and he was that ashamed of being a gypsy he joined the RAF soon as he was old enough. I remember when I was about 5 I asked him where his Mother and Father lived he said they were both dead and he didn't have any brothers or sisters we lived in Gloucester then on Innsworth RAF camp. The social worker turned out to be our cousin now we've got loads of Uncles, Aunts and cousins we never knew existed.
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Vickers, Hunter, Stewart, Allen,Taylor, Page, Galloway, Jowett, Croft, Stocks, Harrison, Furbank, Grey -
Yorkshire
Banks, Stewart, Allen, McHugh, Bluett, Casey - Lancashire
Hunter,Stewart, Armstrong - Cumbria
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