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Oblivion
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Hi,
Can anyone help?My G.Grandfather Robert Ernest Moore (DOB app 1860) first appears on record at The North Surrey District School age11.We can't find a birth GRO but we know he went into the Navy for 40yrs & ended up living in Leamington Priors I have no death for him either.As for Parents all I know is his Father was 'Humphrey because he's on the marriage cert & someone has written 'deceased'.Any help much appreciated.
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rosie99
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Hi Oblivion and welcome to rootschat,
Do you have Robert on any census?
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Oblivion
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Hi Rosie,
Robert is on the 1881 crewman on HMS Antelope-aboard in Constantinople,1891 crewman on HMS Thunder-1901 Wise Terrace Leamington Priors.Nothing before & nothing after??Any ideas 'cause he's stopped my tree!Thanks.Oblivion.
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rosie99
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I was clutching at straws really as I used to live near Chertsey.
I assume that you have information on him at the North Surrey District School c1871, was this from the Surrey History Centre?
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Oblivion
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Hi Rosie,
My friend found him on ancestry-BUT we really need a GRO for him.We're quite sure it is him at the School 'cause it connects to his Naval Records.Any help or ideas would be great,its so frustrating!Thanks.
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jorose
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Moores at the North Surrey District School in 1871, perhaps some are related?
Robert, 11
James, 9
Elizabeth, 11
Harriet, 14
All are listed as b. Wandsworth but all the birthplaces seem to be dittoed down.
If the one aboard the Antelope in 1881 is yours, he was born Chertsey? That would seem to match with one of the sets of service records shown here:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/
(Robert Moore, birthdate 15 September 1859, birthplace Chertsey, Surrey).
It also seems he may have taken up the "Ernest" later in life. Name for his father may or may not be correct - depending on how early in life he went into care.
There don't seem to be many Moores in the Chertsey area. There is a Robert Chalton/Chatton/Chattan/? aged 1, a nurse child, living with Crispin Paine and family in Chertsey in 1861, and also a Robert Dalwood, aged 3 months (the latter seems to be in another institution in 1871, I can't find Robert Chalton later on).
Re: Leamington Priors, there is a Humphrey Moore (maybe grandfather instead of father?) who is in that area in 1841, 1861, 1871. He married Rebecca Reading in 1826 (IGI). If Robert was illegitimate, one of Humphrey's daughters as shown on the IGI (Sarah Harriet, Mary Ann, or Ellen Rebecca), could be his mother.
From the censuses and IGI, Mary Ann married Edward Lewis (her daughter Ellen Rebecca Lewis is on the 1871 with her aunt Ellen Rebecca). Ellen Rebecca Moore married Joseph Toulmin but not until 1868 (aged 30) and is still with her parents in 1861. Sarah Harriet may have died in 1850 - someone with access to 1851 could help on this point.
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Oblivion
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Hi Jorose,
We'd picked up some of the points you've made but not all & your info is vvvvv.interesting.I shall get in contact with my friend who is 'chief tree-builder' & ask her to check Ancestry.Thank-you v.much for all the time & help you've given.
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CatOne
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I think this must be the 1851 Jorose was looking for -
HO107/2072 Folio 533 Page 15
10 Russell Street, Leamington Priors, Warwickshire
Humphrey Moore 51 Shooing Smith Birmingham
Rebecca 49 T/Seachbrook?
Sarah Harriett 17 Milliner Leamington
Mary Ann 16 Assistant Teacher Leamington
Ellen Reb 12 Scholar Leamington
Thomas 9 Scholar Leamington
Walter 5 Leamington
+ 15yr old house servant Maria Byuley? (over page)
so Sarah Harriett alive and kicking in 1851...
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire Shaw, Marland - Lancashire Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland Richards - Neath Swansea Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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I see you mention Mary Ann marrying an Edward Lewis, so what about this birth?
Robert Ernest Lewis Dec 1861 Chertsey Vol 2a Page 27
I see the marriage was in 1857, therefore he would have been born in wedlock, so cant think why he might revert to his mother's maiden name later on (if this is him, that is) 
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire Shaw, Marland - Lancashire Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland Richards - Neath Swansea Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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Nicely spotted!
Still can't see Sarah Harriet - this is the Lewis family in 1861:
RG9/4250 13/19
Broad Street, Newtown, Montgomeryshire
Edward Lewis, 36, innkeeper, b. Newtown
Mary Ann, 26, wife, b. Leamington
Florentia Harriett, 3, dau, b. Newtown
Ellen Rebecca, 2, dau, b. Newtown
Edward Humphrey Lewis, 10months, son, b. Newtown
in 1871, Ellen Rebecca is with the Toulmins. Florentia marries 1898 in Newtown but haven't been able to spot her in the 1871 census yet (in 1881 she's a servant in Manchester). Mary Ann has remarried:
RG10/5615 14/20
Broad Street (Kings Head), Newtown
David Kinsey, head, 56, innkeeper, b. Montgomeryshire (can't read place)
Mary Ann, wife, 36, b. Leamington
George H, son, 13, b. Montgomeryshire Llandin???
Edward H, step-son, 10, b. Newtown
Joseph C, step-son, 7, b. Newtown
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Oblivion
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Hi Jorose & CatOne,
I didn't expect half as much help as I'm getting & it is truely appreciated.The place in Montgomeryshire is probably Llandinham?-this is really fascinating 'cause the Moores had 'Publican' connections & at one point Nan & G.Dad lived at Churchstoke which is not far from Newtown-incidently he was Robert Ernest as well.This is fantastic.Thank-you all.
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Oblivion
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Hi Oblivion back asking for help-still can't find him.I have no idea what to do so any suggestions,especially re:the GRO will be much appreciated.
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