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baggsy
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I have obtained the birth certificate, for a Sidney "Missen"! as believed it could be the one i'm looking for..Dates and place are correct, needed to find parents names as unknown..These being Richard Missen and Elizabeth Bull.on b/cert.
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After searching 1901 census for them i have discovered original surname is listed as "Missing"? Unless there was another Richard, Elizabeth and Sidney family all born around the same time.!
Elizabeth Missing 45
Leonard Missing 8
Richard Missing 37
Sidney Missing 13
Fathers name (Richard) is signed with a mark (X) on birth cert, so obviously could not write or maybe even read at the time of registering Sidney.. Could name have been misspelt?
Sidney has appeared as Missin, and Missen on one or two lookups.. Have always know the spelling to be Missen, but having checked my mothers records her maiden name was spelt Missin and her sister who was born 12 years later is spelt Missen? No missing's though, so could this have been dropped to just Missin then become Missen.over the years.! It's all so confusing!!
Facts known and confirmed..
Married twice 1,Rosetta Hobbs 1911
Married - 2 Alice Mary mills 1925
Had a sister Elsie and a brother Jack that was known off, maybe more!
Wisbech has been suggested where he came from..birth cert I have is sub-district st Andrew the Less would this be right?
Maybe I have wrong birth cert for Sidney although as I have said dates are correct and nam espelt missen even fathers..! help!!!
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CatOne
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In those days, names were sometimes spelt as they sounded. One enumerator could record the name one way and ten years later on the next census, another enumerator could record it another way, especially if the householders were illiterate/not very good at spelling. I wouldn't worry too much about the spelling if all other details match.
Do you have your Sidney's marriage certificate? Does fathers name/occupation match? How old was he on his marriage?
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baggsy
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No don't have Marriage cert, found it on the Camdex register so thats probably the way to go though, as i'm semi retired now have to watch the pennies though...Thanks for advice..
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St Andrew the Less is one of the Cambridge parishes, 40 miles from Wisbech
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rosie99
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Hi
Familyhistory online has the following at St Andrew the Less
23rd October 1886
Richard Missing age 24 bachelor. Labourer residence Wellington Street. father George -labourer
Elizabeth Bull age 30 spinster of Shaftsbury St, Hoxton, Middx father William Bull deceased a cabinet maker
Witnesses Walter Samuel Butler
Elizabeth Marriott
Rosie
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bedfordshire boy
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I can't find Richard, Elizabeth and Sidney in 1891. They appear to be Missin!
Might also be spelt Mizen/Mizon, even Mizzin
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,259259.msg1457747.html#msg1457747
for an earlier thread on Missins from Wisbech
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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rosie99
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There is a baptism for a Sidney Herbert Missin at Downham, Cambridgeshire on familyhistoryonline
15th July 1888 AGE 4
father John mother Susanna
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to get an idea of how the surname could be spelt I've been on the old Norfolk website www.genealogy.doun.org
and had a look at the list of 'M' surnames; as well as the obvious Misen Mison Missen Misson, what if it used to be 'Midson' or even Merson/Merison?
As it's so unusual I also looked on the 1168 Domesday Book site and using a wildcard entered MIS* which brought up a village called "Misson":-
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk.domesday
Good Luck,
Rena
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baggsy
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Hi All
Thankyou for all the help..
I think after your post Rosie, I might just have the wrong birth/cert as his middle name was definatley Herbert, having not been able to find a Sidney Herbert Missin, or Missen on any census went with the only Sidney no middle name Missen i could find...all others had middle names but not Herbert. Thank you..! 
Think I will start again, have found a memorial Service card for his second wife, Alice Mary and surname is spelt Missin...This time I will start with Marriage cert..What a great Hobby.. 
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Sidney H Missin married Rosetta Hobbs in Ely registration district, which includes Downham, which points to the Sidney Herbert that Rosie found being the right one.
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Yes have that b/b, think I'm on the right track now...Thanks again..
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These census results correspond with what Rosie found above i.e.
Sidney Herbert Missin 15th July 1888 age 4 Father-John ,Mother -Susanna
1881 RG 11 Piece 1694 Folio 15 Page 23
Common,Leverington,Cambs
John Missin,head,31,Farm Lab,Leverington
Susanna Missin,Wife,28,Wisbech
Charles Missin,Son,9,Wisbech
Harriet Missin,Dau,7.Wisbech
Frederick Missin,Son,5,Leverington
Lucy Missin,Dau,3,Leverington
Alice M Missin,Dau,1,Leverington
1891 RG12 Piece 1299 Folio 147 Page 12
Downham,Ely,Cambs
John Missin,Head,43,Farmer,Leverington
Frederick Missin,14,Ag Lab,Leverington
Alfred Missin,Son,8,Leverington
Sidney Missin,Son,6,Downham,Cambs
Lucy Missin,Dau,12,Leverington
Maud Missin,Dau,10,Leverington
Edith Missin,Dau,3,Downham
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Yes all fits!!! Thank you very much!
Probably will send for mariage cert in time, but alot to go on for now..
Also found Marriage cert for John Missin and Susannah Quince 1970 wisbech
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