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LittleLondoner
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IOW - what would you do next?
« on: Tuesday 26 February 08 13:50 GMT (UK) »

Hiya,

I'm new to all this and have only really worked with the census info til now. The furthest back we've got is a Jonathan Roe b ca1789. I'm not sure if he was born in the IOW or in Surrey, but he was married on the IOW to a Susan or Susannah Newel b ca 1799 on 22.6.1814 at St Georges Parish Church Arreton.

In 1815, they had a child who is listed as being born 1815 Barmashot which is in Surrey and they had a further 6 children all listed as being born in Surrey until 1835.

So, I wanted to find out more about them - births, parents names and also why they were on the island and why they went to surrey if that's possible to find out. I guess it could be that her family were from IOW? but my question really is where would you start? I've had a look around, but theres so much info out there.

What would you do next? All help very gratefully received!  Smiley
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COOPER - esp in Lechlade / Little Faringdon / Little London / Great Faringdon / Faringdon / Swindon
BUSBY Catherine
LING Martha
TOWNSEND Mary Jane
SHAYLER / SHAILOR - esp Clanfield / Lechlade / Faringdon
HILLYARD - Lechlade
HEDGES / LAILEY - Shinfield, Berkshire
ROE / STUBBS / WILSON / FRANKS / RUNCORN - Streatham / London / Liverpool / Runcorn Cheshire / Sussex / Surrey / Kent
22nd Regiment of foot, cheshire 1800 - 1900
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Re: IOW - what would you do next?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 February 08 14:36 GMT (UK) »

Have you found Jonathan or Susan in the 1841 census.  If they were living in Surrey that should at least tell you whether they were born in the county or not.  1851 of course should give you their actual place of birth but by then they will be getting a bit old to still be alive.

What does their marriage record say about their parishes of residence at that time?

Have you managed to look at the actual parish register entries for their children's baptisms.  These can sometimes give a hint.

It is worth an IGI trawl to look for Jonathan and Susan's baptisms

familysearch.org

If you find a likely candidate then look at any siblings by searching using surname and batch number.  You might find some naming patterns which strengthen your guess.

David

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Living in Berkshire.  Origin Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES CAN BE FOUND IN SURNAME INTERESTS AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Williams, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
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Re: IOW - what would you do next?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 February 08 14:58 GMT (UK) »

Hi David,

 Embarrassed yes I had found them on the 41 and it has a 'y' in the born inthis county bit so I had missed that! i'm not so good at this yet!!

He had died by 1851 and she is living with her son in sussex listed as widower. Most of the info I have so far is from the internet and birth certificates etc [though having to wait a while to buy the next generation back - they soon mount up at £7 a time don't they!]. I haven't actually ventured to a record office yet - that's my next task! That and buying their marriage certificate I guess. I keep notes, but when you're fitting it in between other stuff and snatching time here and there I find I lose my thread sometimes and forget stuff (like to look at the census to see where they were born!). I haven't looked at the actual parish registers, although I assume my family must have done becasue some research was done in the very early 80's when Ancestry etc didn't exist! and there are some dates and places on a part tree, but no evidence to say where it all came from and the people who did it aren't alive anymore unfortunately. I've started with the recent and am working backwards trying to confirm / complete everything before I go back further. The certificates can take ages though sometimes.
I'll go off and have a look at the IGI then; haven't used it yet.

When you say 'If you find a likely candidate then look at any siblings by searching using surname and batch number.  You might find some naming patterns which strengthen your guess' - I was going to ask what you meant, but I'll go off and have a go and see if it's obvious when I get there first!

Many thanks for your help!  Smiley



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COOPER - esp in Lechlade / Little Faringdon / Little London / Great Faringdon / Faringdon / Swindon
BUSBY Catherine
LING Martha
TOWNSEND Mary Jane
SHAYLER / SHAILOR - esp Clanfield / Lechlade / Faringdon
HILLYARD - Lechlade
HEDGES / LAILEY - Shinfield, Berkshire
ROE / STUBBS / WILSON / FRANKS / RUNCORN - Streatham / London / Liverpool / Runcorn Cheshire / Sussex / Surrey / Kent
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Re: IOW - what would you do next?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 February 08 15:39 GMT (UK) »

Some families adopted the rule of first boy named after paternal grandfather, second son after maternal grandfather, first daughter after maternal grandmother, second daughter after paternal grandmother.  After that other names are chosen in a similar way, usually including those of the mother and father.   These may of course happen in a different order.

You may also find traditional names passed down to children and the mother's surname (or that of an earlier female line) used as a second Christian name.

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Living in Berkshire.  Origin Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES CAN BE FOUND IN SURNAME INTERESTS AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Williams, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: IOW - what would you do next?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 February 08 15:44 GMT (UK) »

oh okay - that's fascinating! I had noticed they were often carried through but didn't realise there was a rhyme to it.

I found Jonathan's christening which was 30 Aug 1789. His mother is listed as Sarah Roe, but no date of birth (or father either!) listed...
Don't know what hope i have of finding out if it wasn't on the christening. Perhaps he wasn't named. I will try and get his birth certificate though just to see what it says

Off to try the name thing!

Cheers
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NEW - esp in Winterbourne Monkton / Marlborough
COOPER - esp in Lechlade / Little Faringdon / Little London / Great Faringdon / Faringdon / Swindon
BUSBY Catherine
LING Martha
TOWNSEND Mary Jane
SHAYLER / SHAILOR - esp Clanfield / Lechlade / Faringdon
HILLYARD - Lechlade
HEDGES / LAILEY - Shinfield, Berkshire
ROE / STUBBS / WILSON / FRANKS / RUNCORN - Streatham / London / Liverpool / Runcorn Cheshire / Sussex / Surrey / Kent
22nd Regiment of foot, cheshire 1800 - 1900
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Re: IOW - what would you do next?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 February 08 15:59 GMT (UK) »

In 1789 there will be no birth certificate you only have the Christening record from which to work.  The fact that you only have a mother's name indicates that he was probably illegitimate.  In some ways this is good news because it is now worth diving into the parish chest to see if she was given any support and whether the putative father is named anywhere.

You need to look at vestry minutes, records of the overseer of the poor etc. and possibly the local courts.  Amongst other things you are looking for a bastardy order.  Most of this can only done by visiting the county record office.
Some of these are transcibed in some areas usually by the local family history society.

It is worth putting the mother's name into:

http://www.a2a.org.uk/

David
 
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Living in Berkshire.  Origin Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES CAN BE FOUND IN SURNAME INTERESTS AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Williams, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: IOW - what would you do next?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 February 08 16:08 GMT (UK) »

hi David,

Thank you so much! I had no idea where to start, but that's great advice. Think I have to plan a trip then.

I'll try the A2A thing now. Didn't find anything on Susannah Newel or any others with the names I tried on IGI, but I don't seem to have the knack of this searching thing quite yet! I'll keep looking.

Thanks again  Smiley
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NEW - esp in Winterbourne Monkton / Marlborough
COOPER - esp in Lechlade / Little Faringdon / Little London / Great Faringdon / Faringdon / Swindon
BUSBY Catherine
LING Martha
TOWNSEND Mary Jane
SHAYLER / SHAILOR - esp Clanfield / Lechlade / Faringdon
HILLYARD - Lechlade
HEDGES / LAILEY - Shinfield, Berkshire
ROE / STUBBS / WILSON / FRANKS / RUNCORN - Streatham / London / Liverpool / Runcorn Cheshire / Sussex / Surrey / Kent
22nd Regiment of foot, cheshire 1800 - 1900
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Re: IOW - what would you do next?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 February 08 17:05 GMT (UK) »

haven't found a thing so far...  Roll Eyes
will keep looking....
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NEW - esp in Winterbourne Monkton / Marlborough
COOPER - esp in Lechlade / Little Faringdon / Little London / Great Faringdon / Faringdon / Swindon
BUSBY Catherine
LING Martha
TOWNSEND Mary Jane
SHAYLER / SHAILOR - esp Clanfield / Lechlade / Faringdon
HILLYARD - Lechlade
HEDGES / LAILEY - Shinfield, Berkshire
ROE / STUBBS / WILSON / FRANKS / RUNCORN - Streatham / London / Liverpool / Runcorn Cheshire / Sussex / Surrey / Kent
22nd Regiment of foot, cheshire 1800 - 1900
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