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Topic: John Murray - help/advice needed please (Read 1791 times)
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Willow 4873
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Hiya all
I'm hoping someone might be able to help me or point me in the right direction
I am reseaching my father in laws tree and found that his GGGrandad came from Scotland and having got back to 1851 but I am now a bit stuck
The information I do have is as follows
1881 living in West Felton, Tywford, Shropshire
John Murray 55 M b Kincardineshire, Scotland Post Master
Harriet Murray 59 M wife b Ruyton of the Eleven Towns, Shropshire
Caroline Murray 21 U dau b West Felton, Shropshire Assistant CSO
RG11/2655 Folio 104 Page 20
1871 living in West Felton, Tywford, Shropshire
John Murray 45 M head b Scotland labourer
Harrell Murray 47 M wife b Ruyton, Shropshire dressmaker
Frederick Murray 17 U son b West Felton, Shropshire groom
John A Murray 12 U son b West Felton, Shropshire
Caroline L Murray 11 U dau b West Felton, Shropshire
RG10/2778 Folio 108 Page 14
In 1861 living in West Felton, Shropshire
Mary Jones 75 W head b West Felton
John Murray 37 M son in law b Scotland labourer
Hariot Murray 41 M dau b West Felton dressmaker
Frederick Murray 9 U son b West Felton
Henry Murray 6 U son b West Felton
John Murray 3 U son b West Felton
Caroline Murray 1 U dau b West Felton
Sarah Freeman 16 U servant b West Felton
RG9/1875 Folio 102 Page 1
In 1851 he is listed as a lodger in Sutton Shropshire
John Murray 25 U British Subject Scotland railway porter
HO107/1993/ Folio 66 Page 8
I have got that far and now I am stuck. I cant locate a marriage on FreeBMD or the IGI for John and Harriet to find their fathers
I have the following information which may/may not be relevant
John died 1885 West Felton
Carolines middle name is Louisa
Fredericks middle name is Hart
John jnrs middle name is Allen/Alan
Henry died 1841
Hope someone might be able to advise me where to look next
Thanx for taking the time to read this (I know its a long post lol)
Willow x
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Gadget
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Hi
Scotland's People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk lists two possibles baptisms for him:
4 May 1826, Dunnottar, Kincardine Parents - William Murray and Mary Stewart
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11 Feb 1827, St Cyrus, Kincardine Parents - David Murray and Elizabeth Ross
These are from the Church of Scotland parish records so if his parents were not of that particular religious group, they would not be listed.
Have you tried locating him on the 1841?
I'll see what info I have on the Shropshire side.
Gadget 
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Gadget
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Just found a possible for Harriet Jones
Ruyton X1 Towns is close to Baschurch - only one on IGI (controlled extraction) with mother Mary is
Baschurch 17 March 1822 Harriet Jones. parents John Jones and Mary
One thought is that John could have been Harriet's second husband - I've had a quick look through the full index for Jun Q 1851to Dec Q 1852 and can't find anything promising around then (eldest child on 1861 is 9).
I'll take another look shortly, I might have missed something.
Gadget
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Gadget
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There's an interesting one for a Harriet Jones on FreeBMD
Oswestry, Sept Q, 1851, Vol 18 Page 167
on the same page is a John Munsy or Mandy (both included - poss difficulty reading)
I'll go check the full index
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Gadget
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Definitely says Munsy on the full index - still worth pencilling in though - handwriting mistakes could happen 
Will keep looking
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trish251
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Hi Gadget and Willow
I can't find a birth for Frederick - I have found Henry John & Caroline & it appears Henry died aged 12 in 1867
This appears to be the family in 1851 - so it seems mary wasn't previously married - wonder if William is her son?
Shropshire West Felton 1851
John Jones head mar 72 ag lab Shrop Oswestry
Mary Jones wife M 63 Shropshire West Felton
Harriot do daur U 30 dress maker do Ruyton 11 towns
William do son U 28 ag lab do do
Henry do son U 21 do do West Felton
William do son 9 scholar do Whittington
Trish
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trish251
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That marriage looks good - may be worth checking at the district registry
Trish
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Gadget
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Hi Trish
Oswestry is one of my stomping grounds. That 1851 family seems to tie in nicely with the baptism on the IGI.
The Munsy one is the only one that I can find.
Shropshire Archives are pretty helpful
www.shropshire.gov.uk/archives.nsf
Gadget
PS - the John Murray b. St Cyrus was on the 1841 still in Kincardine - father David was a shoemaker
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trish251
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Found Frederick - surname spelt Murrey Mar 1852 and as Harriet was single in 1851, the marriage still looks possible - there was one other for a Harriet Jones - Jun 1852 - but no possible husband on Freebdm
Trish
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Gadget
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Interestingly, the Dunnottar John Murray is still in Scotland on the 1851 - in prison - but the John Murray s/o David and Elizabeth, St Cyrus, 1826, isn't.
So maybe it is this one.
Gadget
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Gadget
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The St Cyrus John's parents are there though:
1851
Roadside, St Cyrus
Reg Dist 267 ED 4 Page 22
David Murray, 51, shoemaker, master b.Fordoun, Kin
Elizabeth, 58, b. St Cyrus
Elizabeth, 17, b. St Cyrus
Mary, 16, b. St Cyrus
Alexander, 12, b. St Cyrus
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