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Topic: Brush marriage in Angus-Completed thank you (Read 587 times)
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rosie99
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I have found the marriage for Samuel Brush and Isabella Watson 30/9/1867 in Dundee on the igi. Can I get fathers name from Scotlands people, I registered on this site a while ago but it doesn't seem to like me at the moment and won't let me in.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Rosie
From Pam's post on what's included on marriage certs:
Marriage
Date & Place of Marriage
Whether by banns, licence or certificate
Name and age of bride and groom
Occupations of bride and groom
Marital status of bride and groom
Current address of bride and groom
Names and occupations of the fathers of the bride and groom
Mother's maiden name of the bride and groom
For regular marriage - name of officiating minister (or registrar from 1940)
For irregular marriages - date of conviction (to 1939), decree of declarator or sherriff's warrant
Names of witnesses
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
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Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Rosie
Have you got the family in the censuses. Samuel shows an England birth place. From 1881:
Samuel Brush 35, carpet manufacturer, b.England
Isabella Brush 44, b. Lochee, Forfarshire
Samuel C Brush 12, b. Dundee
Annie M Brush 10, b. Dundee
John W Brush 9, b. Dundee
Address: E. Somerville Pl., Dundee
This fits with the children showing for them on IGI:
1. SAMUEL CARTER BRUSH Birth: 23 AUG 1868 Dundee, Angus, Scotland
2. ANNIE MARY BRUSH Birth: 02 JUN 1870 Dundee, Angus, Scotland
3. JOHN WIGHTON BRUSH Birth: 17 MAR 1872 Dundee, Angus, Scotland
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Monica
Thank you very much for the info on Samuel. I have him on census in Scotland in 1881 &1891 but I am really interested in him prior to this time.
It's a bit involved really but I was trying to find out if his parents were Samuel Brush and Sarah Carter without spending too much on certificates or similar info and wondered what if anything could be found on Scotlands People.
I am actually looking at Samuel Brush who was married to Sarah Carter, I have him on census in London in 1841 and Croydon, Surrey in 1871 but cannot locate him in 1851 or 1861, he died in 1872. (Samuel who married Isabella I believe was born March qtr 1845 Chelsea District.)
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Rosie
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Hi Rosie
You have the right parents for Samuel who married Isabella .......as to where the family is in 1851 and 1861......boy, are they hard to find! Like you, can't see them. Given that the mother Sarah looks to have died also in Croydon in 1870, they should be easier to find in at least one of those censuses....but they are not 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Monica
Thank you, I was really hoping he was a son of Samuel/Sarah Carter, it doesn't always follow just because they call a child ie Samuel Carter Brush.
This family are really quite hard to find....
In 1841 I have Samuel with a daughter Sarah and she is who I am really interested in.
In 1851 I can't find either, and by then the other Samuel has been born.
In 1861 I have who I believe is the same Sarah (dtr) 'married' to Henry Knighton at 4 Tiger Yard, Camberwell. But I still can't find Samuel/Sarah Carter
In 1871 Henry Knighton is saying he is widowed and has one daughter living with him (the direct line I am following) He dies in 1874. ALSO in 1871 I have Sarah Brush dtr of Samuel/Sarah living Pimlico with her father.
Whenever I locate Sarah dtr of Samuel I can't locate Sarah wife of Henry so just thought that if the other Samuel was a brother of hers it would be one more area to search.
Anyway, many thanks for your help on that search, I will now have to think about which way to go next.
Rosie 
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Rosie
Brush is a relatively uncommon name. Just a question  How did you connect/verify Sarah, wife of Henry Knightley, to the family of Samuel Brush, letter carrier and wife Sarah?
I ask because I'm beginning to think the Sarah, daughter to Samuel and Sarah, may not be connected to the Sarah you are searching.
1841: You have the family of Sarah Brush with parents Samuel and Sarah. Sarah shows as born c. 1835. You have the birth of son Samuel in 1845 in Chelsea
1851/61: No trace of the family
1871: You have Samuel, recently widowed the previous year (and also now blind ) living in Croydon with daughter Sarah, unmarried, age 33, b. in Plimlico
1881: There is a Sarah Brush, unmarried, 43, b. Chelsea working as a servant in Croydon
I don't think this Sarah is the one (might save you further hours of searching for the family in 1851 and 1861 )
Have you been able to find a marriage for Henry Knighton to wife Sarah to confirm her maiden name, or through some other source? I can see that in 1861 there is an unmarried James Brush, 46, lodging with Henry and wife Sarah, showing a Camberwell birth place. Sarah (Knighton) shows a Southwark birth place.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hi Monica
Thanks for your reply. I have not actually linked my Sarah who 'married' Henry Knighton to Samuel/Sarah, this is what I am trying to establish.
I have never found a marriage of Sarah and Henry Knighton. In 1871 Henry states he is widower, I have not found a death for Sarah after the birth of Alice in 1862.
She had her first daughter Emma in 1850 at Crayford in Kent, no father. Around this time Thomas Charles Brush (c1809 Camberwell) and his wife Eliza were living at Crayford. I believe Thomas to be Samuels brother and also James who was living with the Knightons. I think that I am going to have to step back to this generation and find the baptisms for these three in the London area to tie them together.
If only I could find both Sarah's in 1851 and Samuel it could solve everything. It just seems strange that whenever I find one Sarah I don't find the other, leading me to believe she is one and the same person.
Still if family history was straightforward it would be boring. Thank you for your time helping me.
Rosie
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Brush
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Hi Rosie99.
Have been seeking out Knighton/Brush family as i believe that their daughter known as Henrietta or Alice is my gtgtgran.
Have seen your enquiries and wondered whether there was iinfo we could share. I have located 1851 census entry for Henry Knighton living with Sarah Brush and Emma (born 1850 in Kent) at 3 Pleasant Row, Camberwell but am unclear on how many children they must have had together. And I cannot locate entry on 1871 census.
Like you I cannot locate a marriage.
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Hi Melba
Thank you for replying to my post, and welcome to rootschat
I was researching the Brush family for a friend who is also descended from Alice/Henrietta. I will send you a personal message.
Rosie
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rosie99
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Hi Susan
Welcome to rootschat Thanks very much for replying to me.
I have been looking at this branch of the Brush family to see whether I could link them to the Sarah Brush who I am researching but at the moment I have no evidence to support this theory as I haven't a baptism for Sarah.....clutching at straws I'm afraid. Sorry I can't be any more help to you at the moment.
Rosie
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If you would like the info I have on the Carter Brushes you are more than welcome to it
Rosie
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