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Topic: Perranarworthal School master c 1840 (Read 301 times)
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deb usa
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hi Abygail
I have found this on IGI
Extracted record
George Harvie Symons
born ; 18 July 1796
chr; 7 Aug 1796
Stoke Damerel , Devon
parents : Walter Symons and Mary
I see in 1841 George and Mary Symons have a son called Walter 
will look for more
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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hi
Walter Symons = Mary Harvie
5 April 1779
Stoke Damerel, Devon
children;
Mary Harvie Symons 6 June 1780
John Harvie Symonds b 29 June 1792, chr; 25 Dec 1792
Sarah Harvie Symons 23 Jan 1782
There are other children that would fit in between the gaps with the middle name Maunder ...need to figure out if they are the abover Walter and Mary's children
There is also a christening of Walter Symons, 29 Nov 1754 Stoke Damerel, s/o Walter Symons and mary.
marriage; Walter Symons= Mary Fowell 6 Feb 1754 Stoke Damerel
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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hi Abygail
I cannot find your George, the school teacher, in 1851. I am not sure which children are still with him and Mary.
in 1841 these are the kids;
Mary 15
George 1823 ,,engine apprentice
Walter 1824
Louisa 1826
Eliza 1828
Rebecca 1830
Sarah 1833
Charles 1835
Christiana 1837
in 1851
Walter Symons lodger unm 26 miner b Perran
Lodging with Edward Veal and family in Linkinhorne , Cornwall
1851
Stepney, Middlesex
George Symonds visitor 28 unm engineer b Cornwall
1861Howard St , St Leonards Middlesex
George Symonds head mar 38 Engine Smith b Cornwall Perranarworthal
Mary Jane " wife 38 b Devonport
these are all I can see at the moment.
Do you know which children went to Australia with their parants?
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Abygail
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Thanks for your help deb usa, I do have a list of family that came to Australia, not sure if it was all the family or some remained in Cornwall or if some of the older ones were married and came with their spouses, which would have them recorded separate to 'family' being a unit on their own.
I have records for;
Symon(d)s- deaths
Geo Harvie father Geo Harvie mother Mary Balsom
aged 59 yrs at Clunes Vic in 1882 born 1823
Geo Harvie parents unknown aged 66 yrs born at Plymouth died 1863
Mary Ann Symonds nee Balsome
father Christian Balsom mother Mary unknown
aged 67 yrs died 1862, born Devon
The family came out on the Stebonheath arriving Jan 1853;
George 55 Mary 57
Mary A 29 Louisa 24
Rebecca 21 Sarah 19
Charles 17 Christiana 15
am reasonably sure that Walter came out as well, there are a lot of Symon(d)s buried in the cemetery at Clunes, Vic close to Ballarat, so it is a possibility.
George Harvie Symons and family are in Folio 10 Page 13 Greenwith Common for the 1851 census.
Working from the names in the 1841 census, there were 9 children and the only ones from 'missing' from the passenger list for the Stebonheath were ;
George 15 engineer app. Walter 15 tin mining and Eliza(beth)? 12 scholar.
As I said need to revisit the passenger listings.
I'm gratefull for the naming pattern of the era, using mothers maiden name as a second name. Helps when looking for unknowns. Wonder if we could convince todays parents to adopt it?
I know I'm getting into difficult territory re records but it is nice to find a few crumbs re George and Mary's parents, and now I do have some re George's parents.
Maybe Walter (1780's) Symons mother was a Maunder?
It seems to be a reasonable guess that George and Mary were married c1822 given that Mary, George, Walter and Louisa were all listed at 15 for the 1841 census. Apparently they worked on 5 year increments for ages. plus it seems all the children were born in Perranarworthal. Wonder where they married, perhaps in Perranarworthal as well? Nah that would be too easy.
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Durham - HARDY Ann, Mary, CLARKE William, Elizabeth, DABRON Robert, Thomas, Rhoda >1853
Tyrone- SEETON George, John; COULTER Mary>1919
Derry - KELLY Daniel b1812 wed in Aust.1849
Cornwell - Newton on Abbot area SYMON(D)S - George Harvie wife BALSOM(E) Mary b1795
Abygail
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deb usa
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Hi Abygail
I must say I searched and searched today and only really came up with george , the son ...
I will look again in the morning ...I am fairly sure that George jnr seems to have stayed behind ,,, i did find a perfect fit for Walter in 1861 but he was with family and a mother called Elizabeth ... 
night time here and you are just getting up ...
will revisit them soon ...hopefully we can find the Maunder connection.
Any other info would be a great help!~
BTW ... do you have the children's christenings ...they are all on IGi...If you need them I will post ...let me know.
deb ...
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
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deb usa
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Hi Abygail
Got your maessage ...here are the IGI christenings of the children ...The only one I cannot find is Mary who is 29 when they arrived in Australia.
IGI extracted..children of george Havey/Harvie Symons and Mary, all in Perranarworthal.
George Havey Symons; 13 April 1823
Walter Symons; 17 Oct 1824
Louisa Symons 21 july 1826
Eliza Symons; 12 oct 1828
Rebecca Symons 29 Aug 1830
Sarah Jane Symonds ; 14 april 1833
Charles Symons 9 aug 1835
Christianna Symons 4 june 1837
Unfortuantely I cannot see George's marriage to Mary Balsom
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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1851
Stepney, Middlesex
George Symonds visitor 28 unm engineer b Cornwall
1861Howard St , St Leonards Middlesex
George Symonds head mar 38 Engine Smith b Cornwall Perranarworthal
Mary Jane " wife 38 b Devonport
Hi again ... further to George, jnr
This marriage:
George Harvie Symons = Mary Jane Brent
Mar q 1853, Plymouth
cannot see them in 1871 ...will look further
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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Abygail
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Deb,
Had a look after my PM last night, all I could find on Public Records Office Victoria in the Index to Assisted British Immigration 1839-1871 was the same family members I already list previously.
Combined with what you have located re George Harvie Symons b 1823, and the death record for 1882 at Clunes I have found, I think it is a reasonable guess that he and his family migrated after the 1861 census and I need to get into my local genealogical society to look up their microfiche for shipping records after 1871.
Still haven't found all my notes, but am reasonably sure that Walter died at Clunes as well so guessing (again) that possibly the 2 brothers came out together. Eliza may well have been married by 1853 and until I find her spouses surname I won't know if she came out as well or not.
Thank you for the birth dates, I can search for Mary jnr from my end as I know she married so theoretically, her birthdate should be with that record.
Biggest problem re George and Mary's marriage date is I have no idea as to where they may have married. I appreciate traditionally the bride generally married in her home church but just because your born one place it doesn't always follow through that you live there until you marry.
You may have more knowledge with this than I do, with UK records, was the marriage date recorded on the birth registrations? Most likely too early?
Will try and find that folder today.
Abygail
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Durham - HARDY Ann, Mary, CLARKE William, Elizabeth, DABRON Robert, Thomas, Rhoda >1853
Tyrone- SEETON George, John; COULTER Mary>1919
Derry - KELLY Daniel b1812 wed in Aust.1849
Cornwell - Newton on Abbot area SYMON(D)S - George Harvie wife BALSOM(E) Mary b1795
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