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Topic: George Henry DARLING & family 1851 census (Read 183 times)
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familydar
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I have been looking for years for these people. I can't find them indexed anywhere so they are either mistranscribed or else on one of the missing pieces/pages. I can't believe they evaded the census man, they seem to have been much too law-abiding.
in 1841 they are in London (Hanover Square area):
George 25 Butcher MDX
Maria 20 out of county
William 6 out of county
Maria 3 out of county
George 5m MDX
By 1861 they have settled in Bristol and George has found a new vocation:
George H M 45 Missionary London
Maria W M 44 Road
Ebenezer S 13 Chadwell
Charlotte D 11 Crigglestone
Kate E D 9 Cheltenham
Jane D 7 Cheltenham
Emily D 4 Bristol
Nathaniel S 1 Bristol
I have the Cheltenham address that daughter Kate was born at in May 1851, sadly it isn't showing as occupied for the census. George's mother died in Feb 1851 in Reading but the informant was a neighbour, not family, suggesting he wasn't in the locality at that point.
I don't have any siblings for George, so it's difficult to pursue the "what if he's with a married sister but mistranscribed" route, even with a son named Ebenezer (I thought that particular name would make my search so easy!).
Does anyone have any suggestions, or better still, has anyone tripped over them whilst searching for someone else?
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CaroleW
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1871 for Gloucester 8 Belmont St - surname transcribed correctly
RG10; Piece: 2555; Folio: 74; Page: 17
George Darling 55 missionary b M'sex London
Maria Darling 54 Wiltshire Road
Jane Darling 17 Cheltenham
Emily Darling 14 Bristol
Nathaniel Darling 11 Bristol
They are still in Gloucester in 1881 and again are correctly shown as Darling - www.familysearch.org.uk
8 Belmont St Stapleton Rd
George H. DARLING 65 London, Middlesex Missionary & Cabman
Maria Wife 64 Road Wiltshire
Nathaniel Son 21 b Bristol Grocers Assistant
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familydar
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I got so excited when I saw this post, I thought someone had found them at last!
I've located the family (including some children missing from 1841/1861) in all the other censuses, it's just 1851 I'm stuck on. It's not just for completeness I want to find them. I am desperately hoping they will turn up with some other, as yet unknown, family member. Given the number of children George & Maria had, it seems unlikely that they themselves had no siblings.
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Arranroots
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Charlotte was born just before the census at Crigglestone, which appears to be the West Riding of Yorkshire - so they could be anywhere!
Darling - can you add any detail you have about this family - what address in Cheltenham for example? Additional occupations for Daddy Darling? Any idea how he became a missionary? Children's baptism locations (were they NC?) What was Maria's maiden name?
edit: had a look - couldn't see them either! Not likely they went abroad, with the births being so close together.
Hmmm
kind regards, Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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familydar
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You don't mince words do you, they could indeed be absolutely anywhere, hence my appeal here.
The Cheltenham address is 13 Sherborne Place. It should be on HO107/1973 fol 204 but 13 isn't listed on a street index I have (I really should look at the original, something to go on my to-do list!), it goes from 12 via Sherborne Villa to 16. George Henry's occupation on the birth cert is butcher. He was married as a butcher and had the same occupation for the baptism of the first child William (the only baptism I've been able to find). I don't have birth certs for the later children so I don't know when George became a missionary (or Baptist minister as he also described himself) or why, but his beliefs would explain why I've not been able to find baptisms for any of the later children.
From his baptism (so glad he had a middle name) I know his father was William, also a butcher, and his mother was Mary. His father died in 1835 and I know where he was buried, but I don't know if there's a stone or if the burial record gives any useful info or even if the funeral made the local paper(something else for the to-do list!), anything that would help me extend the family. As I said in my original post, his mother died just before the 1851 census. I have a Berkshire-based DARLING family that father William might possibly fit in to, but although the names and dates fit, I have no occupations for that family and no birthplace for father William, so I deem that insufficient evidence at the moment. My lot aren't with any of them for the 1851 census.
Maria's maiden name was MacDonald. If I have the correct baptism for her, her father (known to be Martin MacDonald) was a footman and when she was baptised they were living at North Bradley, which is in Wiltshire, just across the county border from Rode (which is in Somerset). There is another place, Rowde, which is near Devizes in Wiltshire, but I can't find a baptism for her there so I'm inclined to go with the North Bradley location. On different censuses over the years her place of birth varies a bit, but George Henry never wavered (London, shame it's such a big place), however I struck gold at the LMA one day several years ago - the whole search room knew!
I'll just keep plodding away, perhaps one day I'll find them.
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Arranroots
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I plan to have another look at this tomorrow but meanwhile - have you had a look at trade directories at all?
While it might be unlikely that a minister would feature, you might be lucky with a butcher.
Thanks for the extra detail, it all helps!
(Oh btw I had already checked Scotland but I guess Ireland is also a possibility for MacDonalds? Maybe they were visiting rellies - or being missionaries in Ireland?)
kind regards, Arranroots
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK) |
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Daisypetal
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Hi,
I've been looking for them everywhere in 1851 with no luck.
I checked the image for 1851 HO107/1973 f.204 only to find they're definitely not there 
p.42 has 10, 11, and 12 Sherborne Place followed by "2 houses uninhabited", the following p.43 has Sherborne Villa and nos; 16, 17 and 18 Sherborne Place
Regards
Daisy
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familydar
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Thank you Daisy for checking the census image, I can cross that off my list now.
Thank you also Arranroots. I'd not thought of an Irish connection so that's something I'll try to pursue, although am I right in thinking a lot of Irish archives were lost in 1922 or thereabouts?
I've tried trade directories and although there are several William Darlings trading as butchers over the years, I've been able to eliminate all those I've found so far. I'm sure there are lots of directories out there that I haven't managed to look at of course (I've used record offices at Reading and Bristol plus the LMA and FRC in London, also the University of Leicester's online historical directories website), so don't let me stop anyone else looking! But I'm not really expecting to find him in one because going by all the different places the children were born, I don't think he was ever in one place long enough to be included, until he finally settled in Bristol.
I think the 1850s are too early for rating records, does anybody know for sure? Something that has crossed my mind is tracing them from address to address.
Another line of enquiry could be education records; I have to presume that the older boys at least were at school somewhere. Is anybody able to check school records for Wakefield from 1847 to 1851? I don't have Charlotte's birth cert for an exact address as I presume Crigglestone was fairly small in 1851, but I could order it if likely to help. The records might say where the family moved from and to (this has been very successful for the first half of the 20th century in London). Does anybody have any experience of 1850s school records?
The children are
William b Caversham 1835 (possibly died 1841)
Maria Charlotte b Reading 1838
George b London 1841
Thomas McDonald b London 1843
Ebenezer b Chadwell 1847
Charlotte Ellen b Crigglestone, Wakefield 1849
Kate Elizabeth b Cheltenham 1851
Jane b Cheltenham 1853
Emily b Bristol 1856
Nathaniel b Bristol 1859
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