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Can anyone help me with Gt Grandmother ELLEN SIMMONS she is recorded as being in Edmonton Union Workhouse in March 1902 and also as being a Sewing machinist of Tottenham Parish. I cannot find any other information. If anyone has any information or can trace her from the 1901 census I will be very grateful.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Could you tell us how old Ellen is shown as in 1902? Was she born in Middlesex?
Do you know if she was married/widowed in 1902
There is a 1901 entry for an Ellen Simmons dressmaker aged 21 b Chelmsford living with parents Thomas & Mary A in M'sex
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Hi Carol,
Thankyou for your quick response.
Sorry, the only details I have are as posted _ they are as stated on her
daughter`s birth certificate.
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Hi
So we can assume she was reasonably young to have had a child in 1902
There are too many 1901 entries for Ellen Simmons to know which was the right entry so we have a couple of possible options:
Was the child adopted - if yes - go to the question about the Workhouse records?
If no - did she remain with Ellen and did Ellen later marry?
Who did she marry?
If she never married - what year did she die as we can get her age at death from the GRO index
The Workhouse records should still be available and should (hopefully) show her age and may have next of kin etc details
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Hi,
Thankyou for your help - I will have to take the Workouse route .
Are there any records documented online?
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Hello again Carol,
Thankyou for the info - will contact the London Metropolitan archives.
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Hi Carol,
Do you have the rest of the 1901 Census details for Ellen`s parents
Thomas and Mary A SIMMONS. If you have I would be very grateful.
I have been unable to locate them on the 1881 Census (LDS Site).
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1901 for 4 Edwin Villas Twickenham
Thomas Simmons 42 railway engine driver b Braintree Essex
Mary A 43 b Chelmsford
Ellen 21 dressmaker b Chelmsford
Charles Lawes 25 boarder railway engine stoker b Tooting
1891 census for 1 Earle Cottages Twickenham indexed as Semmond but image is Simmond
Thomas Simmond 32 railway engine driver b Braintree Essex
Mary Annie 32 b Chelmsford
Henry 12 b Chelmsford
Ellen 11 b Chelmsford
1881 for Lambeth
Thomas Simmons 22 fireman b Braintree
Mary Ann 23 Chelmsford
Ellen 1 ditto
Harry 2 ditto
Joseph Farrow 27 visitor ditto
Thos. Fred. Lang 35 lodger London
Thos. Fred. Lang 10 lodger London
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Carol,
Have just logged in again -thankyou for additional information.
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Hi Dawn,
Thankyou for your offer I would be very grateful if you have the time
for ANY information you could find out.
The facts I have are that Ellen SIMMONS was in THe Union Workhouse
Edmonton in March 1902 when she gave birth to a daughter. (Verified
on her daughters birth certificate.)
CarolW kindly gave me the info that ELLEN SIMMONS was living at home on the
1901 census so admission to the Workhouse was obviously
between these dates. I would like to discover when and whether Ellen SIMMONS
was discharged with her daughter or if the child was given up before
leaving the Workhouse. (If the child was given up before who was she given too?)
I realise that the above request may be time consuming so please don`t
spend too much of your time looking.
Thankyou again,
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Genealogists do it with dead people. Mostly!!
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I had some printouts from http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Edmonton/Edmonton.shtml
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Ashe-Marlborough
Auchincloss-Glasgow
Dickey-Ireland,Scotland,USA
Ebben-Enfield
Fewins-St Austell, Ohio
Hall-Mdx
Heard/Hurd/Herd-Dry Drayton Cambs
Hillhouse-Scotland,USA
Horton-West Bromwich,Greenwich Kent,Mdx
Kelly-High Beech,Essex
Lemmon-Lyndhurst
Livermore-Enfield
Malyon-Mdx
Medcalf-Enfield Mdx, Cheshunt Herts
Metcalfe-Dry Drayton Cam
Saunders-Uxbridge, Enfield
Sleath-Enfield
Snelling-Storrington
Stote-Lyndhurst
Stretton-Greenwich,Lee
Wiltshire-Enfield
Woodfield-Enfield
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Hi Dawnsh,
Thankyou so much for the information, it appears that Ellen was
probably disowned by her parents. Wasn`t expecting to hear of
a step brother! This family are certainly springing a few surprises.
Thankyou again I really appreciate your time and effort.
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