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Prison Records
« on: Thursday 28 February 08 14:32 GMT (UK) »
How do I obtain 1929/1930 prison records?  I am looking for Charles Richard EASTOE.

Charles R. EASTOE may have been incarcerated somewhere in Cornwall.  There is a short article printed August 26, 1930 in the London Gazette that Mr. EASTOE was convicted of the Civil Power and deprived of his rank in July 7, 1930.

We know his partner went to Launceston Cornwall (Pages Cross House) to have their child on July 3, 1930.  We suspect since there was no family, that his partner went to Launceston to be near Charles Eastoe.   How can I get records of Mr. Eastoe's conviction? 
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DOWSETT - Bethnal Green; Walthamstow
EASTOE - Smallburgh; North Walsham- Norfolk
THOMAS - Wales; Poole - Dorset
YOUNG - Wandsworth
WALES - Surrey
MAYNE, MAINE, MAIN - Hatherleigh; Hatsburgh Devon
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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 February 08 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jdowsett

I dont know if you can see prison records for them years, as I found this while looking around.

Correctional Institutions
In the UK, Prison records are closed for 100 years

regards
ricky
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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 March 08 19:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ricky:

Thanks for the information.  Do you know anything about getting military records?
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EASTOE - Smallburgh; North Walsham- Norfolk
THOMAS - Wales; Poole - Dorset
YOUNG - Wandsworth
WALES - Surrey
MAYNE, MAINE, MAIN - Hatherleigh; Hatsburgh Devon
LAWINSKI - Poland
REATEGUI - Spain
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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 March 08 19:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jdowsett

here are a couple of  website

http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html

http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/raf.html

but there are others

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Also Murkin's, Jeffery,Pettitt,Carter, from Suffolk/Cambridgeshire boarder
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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 March 08 19:14 GMT (UK) »
Also this website

http://www.army.mod.uk/contacts/divisions/records.htm


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Also Murkin's, Jeffery,Pettitt,Carter, from Suffolk/Cambridgeshire boarder
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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 March 08 20:01 GMT (UK) »


Hi jdowsett and welcome to RootsChat !  Smiley

Looks like you have been looking for this man for some time ! .... what else have you found out about him ? sounds like he was a soldier so I'm wondering if this may be the same man .... my apologies if it isn't !! you may want to try and find out about this soldier ..... may be easier to find the soldier than prison records ! might also be worth posting on our Armed Forces board ....  !!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,300.0.html

Medal card of Eastoe, Charles R
Norfolk Regiment
15163
Lance Corporal
Norfolk Regiment
Second Lieutenant
Date
1914-1920

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Annie  Smiley
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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 March 08 21:02 GMT (UK) »
I checked the Times and the Guardian for reports of the case as well as Black Sheep and Google Books but found nothing.

A lawyer might be able to track down the case in the Law Reports for 1929/30
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Bradbury - Derby/Nottingham
Folder - Westmorland
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Jones - Liverpool - c.1805 -  Whitesmith
Grey  - Llangwillog - c.1820
McCrickard c.1825 Ireland
Devine c. 1835 Dublin
Crane - Liverpool c.1805
Thornton - Liverpool c.1805
Oliver - Lambeth 1800's
Kendrick - London - c.1775
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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 March 08 22:51 GMT (UK) »


Shaun ... were you able to see the Gazette article by any chance ? was there anything else in there that may give a clue ?

Annie  Smiley
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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind !
Dr. Seuss

Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5

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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 01 March 08 22:58 GMT (UK) »
Yes Annie - here is the transcription:

"Lt. Charles Richard Eastoe, formerly 5th Bn. Norfolk R., on conviction by the Civil
Power, is deprived of the rank of Lt. 7th July 1930"
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Bale - Rotherhithe 1820's
Bradbury - Derby/Nottingham
Folder - Westmorland
Gale - Lymington/Rotherhithe 1780-1820's
Jones - Liverpool - c.1805 -  Whitesmith
Grey  - Llangwillog - c.1820
McCrickard c.1825 Ireland
Devine c. 1835 Dublin
Crane - Liverpool c.1805
Thornton - Liverpool c.1805
Oliver - Lambeth 1800's
Kendrick - London - c.1775
Hollis - Northampton - 1774
Potter - Leicester - c.1775
Cresswell - c 1780
Wingod - London
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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 01 March 08 23:01 GMT (UK) »


So that must be his medal card then !  Undecided

Thanks Shaun .... I couldn't get it !!

Annie  Smiley
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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind !
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Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5

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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 01 March 08 23:03 GMT (UK) »
Promotion to Lt (5th Bn Norfolk Regt):

"2nd Lt. C. R. Eastoe to be Lt. 27th August 1919."
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Bale - Rotherhithe 1820's
Bradbury - Derby/Nottingham
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Gale - Lymington/Rotherhithe 1780-1820's
Jones - Liverpool - c.1805 -  Whitesmith
Grey  - Llangwillog - c.1820
McCrickard c.1825 Ireland
Devine c. 1835 Dublin
Crane - Liverpool c.1805
Thornton - Liverpool c.1805
Oliver - Lambeth 1800's
Kendrick - London - c.1775
Hollis - Northampton - 1774
Potter - Leicester - c.1775
Cresswell - c 1780
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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 01 March 08 23:16 GMT (UK) »


mmmm !

Maybe the best thing would be to get his service record ..... you never know there may be something in there ! if there was a court martial or something ... don't you think ?

Annie  Smiley
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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind !
Dr. Seuss

Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5

Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
US source - US Census Bureau
http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/faqgene.txt
The Commonwealth War Graves Commission
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Re: Prison Records
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 02 March 08 00:19 GMT (UK) »
I found the same articles and medical card.   I have been researching this family line for quite some time and when I'm not hitting brick walls, I find a few of skeletons in the closet.  What fun!   Grin    I absolutely adore mysteries...

I was thinking that there may have been more articles in newspapers, but I'm in the US and can't find anything online other than the London Gazette.    I have information about his birth, marriage, two families, and his death.  At the moment, I'm stuck in 1930 trying to find out about his conviction.

Does anyone know what it means to be convicted by the Civil Power?  Could he have still been in the military in 1930 to have been stripped of his rank?  Or could he have been a civilian?

Thanks a bunch for all your help!
Janice
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EASTOE - Smallburgh; North Walsham- Norfolk
THOMAS - Wales; Poole - Dorset
YOUNG - Wandsworth
WALES - Surrey
MAYNE, MAINE, MAIN - Hatherleigh; Hatsburgh Devon
LAWINSKI - Poland
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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 02 March 08 06:26 GMT (UK) »
He was probably a civilian - the Gazette item says "formerly 5th Bn Norfolk R".

"A retired officer will forfeit his rank and status after conviction by a civil power where said conviction results in a custodial sentence"

The "civil power" means the normal civil judiciary system as opposed to military court-martial.
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Angell - Norfolk/Cambridgeshire c.1780
Bale - Rotherhithe 1820's
Bradbury - Derby/Nottingham
Folder - Westmorland
Gale - Lymington/Rotherhithe 1780-1820's
Jones - Liverpool - c.1805 -  Whitesmith
Grey  - Llangwillog - c.1820
McCrickard c.1825 Ireland
Devine c. 1835 Dublin
Crane - Liverpool c.1805
Thornton - Liverpool c.1805
Oliver - Lambeth 1800's
Kendrick - London - c.1775
Hollis - Northampton - 1774
Potter - Leicester - c.1775
Cresswell - c 1780
Wingod - London
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