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Philcandy
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Could someone please let me have census transcriptions for Ramon and Muriel Minnie de BERTODANO LOPEZ and their son William between 1900 and 1930?
Their names have been distorted or mistranscribed in the index as follows:
1900 Alameda CA (R E and Minie DELOPEZ);
1910 San Francisco CA (Lawon and Frund BUTADANO);
1920 Marin Co CA (Ramon and Muriel DEBERTSDANO);
1930 Contra Costa CA (William, Jessie and Donald L De BERTODANS).
Any help with this family would be very welcome.
Thank you
Philip Candy
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1900, Murray, Dist. 332, Alameda, CA
R E DeLopez, head, white, male, born Dec 1847, age 53, married for 32 years, born England, parents born England, immigrated 1891, alien, farmer, owns farm with a mortgage
Marie or Minie DeLopez, wife, white, female, born Aug. 1849, age 50, married for 32 years, mother of 2 childre, both living, born England, parents born Scotand, immigrated 1891, no occupation
William DeLopez, son, white, male, born Oct 1873, age 26, single, born Australia, parents born England, immigrated 1894, farm laborer
All the others in the household are boarders and a servant/cook.
1910, San Francisco Assembly District 44, District 303, San Francisco, California
Buradano, Ramon Ed., lodger, male, white, age 62, married twice, number of years of present marriage - 20, born England, father born Spain, mother born England, immigrated 1891, alien, occupation - capitalist, mining and oil industry, employed of his own accord, able to read and write
Burdano, Muriel de., lodger, wife, age 38, married once, number of years of present marriage - 20, mother of no children, place of birth hard to read - looks like Ata-English...maybe Australia?, father born Scotland?, mother born England, immigrated 1891?, no occupation, able to read and write
I'll see if I can find the others later, if no one else gets to them.
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Philcandy
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Many thanks for these lookups.
It seems as if the surnames aren't the only thing to be messed up by the census enumerator(!) but between these two entries, there is quite a lot of useful information.
I would be really grateful if you could please do the other two lookups when you have time.
Thanks very much indeed.
Yours sincerely
Philip Candy
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shellyesq
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1920 Census, San Anselmo, Dist. 89, Marin Co., California
53 Madrone Avenue
De Bertando, Ramon, rents home, male, white, age 70, married, immigrated 1890, alien, born England, parents born England, retired capitalist
De Bertando, Muriel, wife, female, white, age 42, married, immigrated 1895, alien, born Australia, father born Scotland, mother born England, no occupation
Abercrombie, Jack, nephew, male, white, age 13, single, unknown immigration date and status, attending school, born Australia, parents born Australia, no occupation
Also, there's a boarder named William Johnstone from Ireland.
1930 Census, Contra Costa, Township 3, District 61, California, 95 Saranah Road
De Bertadano, William, head, owns home worth $15,000, owns a radio set, does not live on a farm, white, male, age 57, married, age at first marriage - 55, able to read and write, born Australia, parents born England, immigrated 1890, naturalized, occupation - engineer in mining industry
De Bertadano, Jessie, wife, female, white, age 52, age at first marriage - 19, able to read and write, born Iowa, father born Pennsylvania, mother born Ohio, no occupation
De Bertadano, Donald L., son, male, white, age 16, single, attending school, able to read and write, born Missouri, father born Iowa, mother born Indiana, no occupation
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Philcandy
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Many thanks for this additional information.
It all adds to the story and allows me to piece together the family's history. For insatnce, the nephew Jack Abercrombie would be a son of Muriel's brother; her maiden name was Abercrombie.
I don't know if there's any chance of finding William and Jessie in the 1920 Census along with Donald who would have been about 6 years old? I have tried without success, but they could be in Missouri, where he claimed to be born, or in California, or back in Australia, visiting his mother's parents, or indeed somewhere else entirely.
In any case, thanks a lot for the help, I really appreciate your time and effort.
Kind regards
Philip Candy
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shellyesq
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The 1906 trip Cheryl mentioned shows up on Ancestry, so I can get it if you need it.
I tried looking in 1920, but no luck. Do you think William and Jessie were together as of 1920? Based on the info in 1930, I would think Jessie was married before & Donald had a different father.
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Philcandy
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Many thanks for this. You are of course right - it looks as if William only married in about 1928 or thereabouts.
In answer to your kind offer, I would be grateful for any information from the shipping records.
Setting aside errors in transcription (!), members of this family alternated between the surname de Bertodano (or Debertodano) and Lopez, since the original family name in Spain was De Bertodano y Lopez..
Therefore would you mind seeing what you can turn up in the 'California Passenger and Crew Lists, 1893-1957' under the following names:
William C De B Lopez
W C De B Lopez
Ramon Edward Debertodano
Muriel M Dbertodano
Ramon Edward De Bertodano
Ramon De Bertodano
E De Bertodano
Muriel Bertodano
Muriel Minnie De Bertodano
Muriel Brtodans
Overall, there seem to be quite a few references to this family hiding under a range of differing spellings of the surname.
Many thanks for your help.
Kind regards
Philip Candy
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William C De B Lopez
9 June 1907, from Ancon Panama to San Francisco on board "Alcapulco"
Age 32, 3 months, last place of permanent residence, San Francisco,
Nationality: Australian
been to US before 1893 and in 1905.
Occupation: Assayer.
Lopez, William C De B
2nd Oct 1909, from Ancon, Canal Zone to San Francisco on board "Alcapulco"
Age 34, last perment address, San Francisco
Nationality/Citizenship: English
Occupation: Mining Engineer and he is single
Debertodano, Ramon Edward
6 Mar 1927, from Cristobal, Canal Zone, to San Francisco on board "Loch Katrine"
Age 79 years 2 months
Born: London
Name and address of friend/relative from whence alien came:
H S De Bertodano, Waltham on Thames, London
Return Permit # 189618 (Aug 18, 1926)
Final destination: San Francisco
Dbertodano, Muriel M
15 December 1924 from Sydney, to SF on board "Ventura"
Age 63, housewife, last permanent address: Fairfax, CA, USA
Relative (as above) Ward Abercrombie, Brother, Brisbane, Australia)
Destinatin: Fairfax, California.
De Bertodano, Ramon
11 December 1930 on board Sonoma from Sydney to San Francisco
Age 83, born London, Destination: Fairfax, California
on board with him
Muriel, age 69, born Warialda, Australia, housewife
and Jack Abercrombie, 24, born Brisbane, Aust. Student.
Bertodano, Mrs Muriel
23 Aug 1916, from Sydney to San Francisco, on board "Ventura"
Age 54, housewife, born Australia.
(Note) In scrolling down the page, there is a Grace Spurway(?), age 52 who also claims Ward Abercrombie of Belmont, Qld as her brother.
De Bertodano, Minnie Muriel
29 March 1933,Sydney to San Francisco, on board "Mariposa"
Age 71, no occupation. Destination: Fairfax, California
Born: Warialda, NSW, Australia
Hope these help
Valerie
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Bayley, Dorset, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Cheshire and others. Antrobus, Somerset/Glouster Skelton, Heslington, Yorkshire James, Norfolk, and London Delasalle, London area Gravett/Grevet, Surrey Also searching the above in Australia “Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk” |
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Philcandy
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Many thanks for these lookups. I can't tell if you've managed to find them all, but there is plenty of information here to fill in gaps in my knowledge.
In particular, the fact that William was a miner in Panama helps to explain why he is so difficult to locate in various censuses, and it is also interesting to have Muriel's actual place of birth and her brother's name.
Now all I have to do is to find an Obituary for Ramon when he died in January 1931!
Many thanks for your help.
Kind regards
Philip Candy
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