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annette ellen
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I am not sure if this is the correct place to post this but I was told it could be.
I am trying to find some information regarding a Helen Steel born 10th March
1907 Auchinsterie?and her parents, Father Anthony Christie & Mother Mary Kelly.
Helen married in Scotland and came out to Australia with her Husband John Steel and children.
Hope that someone may be able to help.
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Annette
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Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly,
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Annette
This looks like Helen's parents' marriage:
1890 CHRISTIE ANTHONY KELLY MARY ANN KILSYTH /STIRLING 483/00 0042
And likely entry for the family in the 1901 census before Helen's birth:
Anthony Christie 30, coal miner, not known (NK)
Mary Christie 28, b. Kilsyth Stirling
Mary Christie 8, b. Kilsyth Stirling
Rose Christie 6, b. Kilsyth Stirling
Kate Christie 3, b. Kilsyth Stirling
Alice Christie 2, b. Kilsyth Stirling
Address: 22 Dunkop St, Cambuslang, Lanarkshire
Regards.
Monica 
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MonicaLesl
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Only one birth showing on IGI within the range of Anthony Christie's age on the 1901 census:
ANTHONY CHRISTIE Birth: 26 MAR 1866 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
Parents: ANTHONY CHRISTIE and CATHERINE O'BRIEN
Can't see an entry on IGI for Mary Kelly in Kilsyth c. 1873
Also found another entry on the 1901 Census which has left me confused:
Anthony Christie 37, son in law, coal miner, b. Boness, Linlithgowshre
James Kelly 67, head, coal miner, b. Ireland
Mary A Kelly 53, b. Ireland
Michael Kelly 18, b. Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Bernard Kelly 17, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Thomas Kelly 15, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Charles Wynne 25, lodger, b. Ireland
Address: 32 Parkfoot St, Kilsyth
There is also this birth to parents James K and a Mary McAnulty:
MARY ANN KELLY Birth: 07 JAN 1873 Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland
Annette, sometimes you can figure out likely parents from looking at birth entries together with census info. In this case, however, I think you may need to look at that 1890 marriage cert. to confirm parents for both Anthony Christie and Mary Ann Kelly. Your Anthony Christie can't be in two places at once in the 1901 census 
Regards.
Monica
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annette ellen
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Hi Monica,
Thanks for your answer. The first one is the family that we are looking for.
We do not have the marriage certificate and am going on what my husband can remember. He knows that Anthony Christie died in the early 1940's as his other Grandfather also died about the same time.
He also says on his Mothers side her Grandmother was born in Ireland, so I will have to try the Ireland sites.
Thank you very much for your help so far and it is much appreciated.
Regards
Annette. 
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Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly,
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Annette
I can see that Gadget has gone great guns on the John Steel side www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,289140.15.html
Let's see where we get to with the Christie & Kelly lines!
From the 1890 marriage entry we found earlier, we have details confirming:
Anthony Christie, 24, ironstone miner, residing at High Street, Kilsyth. Parents Anthony Christie. coal miner, and Catherine O'Brian (both deceased)
Mary Ann Kelly, 18, domestic servant, residing at 54 Auchte(xxx)arry Row Cumbernauld (I wonder if this is the same place as you showed for Helen's birth?). Parents James Kelly, coal miner, and Mary Ann (Scott) - hard to read this bit.
Witnesses: John Kelly and Catherine Harvey. Banns according to the Catholic Church - St Patricks Kylsyth.
So where does that take us with what we had earlier....
The birth entry for Anthony in Boness looks to be the correct one:
ANTHONY CHRISTIE Birth: 26 MAR 1866 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
Parents: ANTHONY CHRISTIE and CATHERINE O'BRIEN
Marriage entry, actual extract from records, for the parents, including name of Anthony Christie's father:
ANTHONY CHRISTY Parents:JAMES CHRISTY
Marriages:Spouse: CATHERENE O'BRIEN Parents:HUGH O'BRIEN
on 08 OCT 1854 Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
Lucky you Unusual to find parents names on these IGI entries (never mind the OPR themselves!)
Children showing to them:
1. JAMES CHRISTIE Birth: 17 JUL 1855 Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
2. ROSE ANNE CHRISTIE Birth: 17 SEP 1857 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
3. TEDDY CHRISTIE Birth: 21 SEP 1859 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
4. ANNE CHRISTIE Birth: 18 DEC 1861 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
5. ANNIE CHRISTIE Birth: 01 MAR 1864 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
6. ANTHONY CHRISTIE Birth: 26 MAR 1866 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
7. HUGH CHRISTIE Birth: 29 APR 1868 Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland
8. PATRICK CHRISTIE Birth: 10 JUN 1870 Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland
9. MILES CHRISTIE Birth: 28 OCT 1872 Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland
10. PATRICK CHRISTIE Birth: 20 AUG 1874 Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland
This looks like the family 1871 entry with Anthony already born:
Antony Christy 35, coal miner, b. C Letntran (Lietrim?), Ireland
Cathrine Christy 32, , b. C Letntran (Lietrim?), Ireland
James Christy 15
Roy (Rose?)Christy 13
Timothy (Ted?)Christy 11
Amrie (annie?) Christy 6
Anthony Christy 4
Hugh Christy 2
Patrick Christy 10 Mo
Address: Croy, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Annette, you have an 1855 birth there, first born James, which given that it is the first year of official reg. in Scotland should give you an additional amount of information not to be found elsewhere and will confirm where the parents were from.
Let's see what we can find on Mary Ann Kelly, I'm confused by those two 1901 entries at the moment...
Regards.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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This looks likely entry for Anthony and Mary Ann following their marriage in the 1891 census, birth places at least for Anthony looks wrong:
Anthony Christie 24, coal miner, b. Cumbernauld
Mary Ann Christie 19, b. Cumbernauld
Address: No 42 Auchenstarry Row, Cumbernauld
And also, brother Timothy living a few doors down. Everyone showing as born in Cumbernauld apart from Timothy and wife Annie
Timothy Christie 31, coal miner, born Bo'ness
Annie Christie 32, b. Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Anthony Christie 9
Thomas Christie 7
Annie Christie 5
James Christie 4
Patrick Christie 2
Cathrine Christie 10mo
Joseph Christie 18, brother, coal miner
Address: No 28 Auchensbarry Rows, Cumbernauld
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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There are two things throwing me off being certain about Mary Ann Kelly's family. The birth entry for a Mary Ann Kelly I posted earlier looks right apart from mother's maiden name: MARY ANN KELLY Birth: 07 JAN 1873 Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland with mother as Mary Ann McAnulty. But she gave her mother's maiden name looks like Scott or something similar at her marriage, nothing like McAulnty (and many variations!). Also, we have the two entries for an Anthony Christie in 1901 
Working back however, we have the following family living at 54 Auchensbarry Row - the address that Mary Ann Kelly gave at the time of her marriage in 1890, and a few doors along from where she is living in 1891. Everyone showing as born in Cumbernauld unless indicated:
James Kelly 50, coal miner, b. Ireland
Mary Ann Kelly 42, b. Ireland
John Kelly 20
Alice Kelly 17, b. New Monkland, Lanarkshire
James Kelly 15
Patrick Kelly 10
Bernard Kelly 6
Thos Kelly 4
Michael Kelly 10 Mo
Address: 54 Auchensbarry Row, Cumbernauld
Which corresponds with the 1901 family:
Anthony Christie 37, son in law, coal miner, b. Boness, Linlithgowshre
James Kelly 67, head, coal miner, b. Ireland
Mary A Kelly 53, b. Ireland
Michael Kelly 18, b. Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire - michael's age probably mistranscribed, should probably read 10/11?
Bernard Kelly 17, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Thomas Kelly 15, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire
Charles Wynne 25, lodger, b. Ireland
Address: 32 Parkfoot St, Kilsyth
Given that the family also have son in law Anthony Christie staying with them with the right birth place, then I think the first 1901 entry I posted for an Anthony and Mary Ann must be wrong....Mary Ann must be alone, with children, somewhere else....
No way to re confirm Mary Ann Kelly's mother's name from her certs on line. She died at the ripe old age of 1959 and cert has to be ordered:
1959 CHRISTIE MARY ANN Not Permissible KELLY F 86 SPRINGBURN GLASGOW/LANARK 644/04 1414 No Image ORDER
Monica
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Hi Annette and Monica 
Just popped across to see how things are progressing.
It looks as if the Margaret McNab was born Islay - where the whisky comes from.
Having a break for a while - good luck with the Kellys
Gadget
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Gadget
Have you ever come across a situation where someone is included in a Census household but they weren't actually there? The 1901 Census entry I found at the beginning in Cambuslang is the only one showing for Mary Ann with by all accounts husband Anthony Christie (not a common name) in the household...yet Anthony Christie is at his in laws James Kelly and Mary Ann over in Kilsyth on census night...
Monica
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Yes, Monica
Usually they are double entries - staying with relatives and recorded at home etc.
Looks like this happened in this case 
I'm nearly getting myself in knots on the other thread. I had to draw myself a chart - all these generations of John Steels
Sorted now
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Well, that's a first one of those for me ~ thanks Gadget
Annette, I've gone through the earlier censuses for James Kelly and Mary Ann McAnulty (still don't understand why daughter put down something different on her MC  ) and both of them only show Ireland as a birth place. Can't easily see a marriage for them in Scotland. You might want to have a look at one of their children's birth certs. (Mary Ann being the most obvious one!) which should confirm place and date of marriage for the parents. Should hopefully give you some clues as to where in Ireland they came from. Their death certs should also include their parents' names, if known to the informant, to help you with your searches in Ireland.
On the Christie side, you have the names of Anthony Snr.'s father and wife Catherine's father from their marriage entry which together with census info that they were born in Co. Leitrum (probably worthwhile confirming this from the original image) should also help.
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Monica
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Annette
This is the section from Margaret Kelly and Anthony Christie's 1890 marriage cert with her parents details:
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Hello Monica,
Thank you very much for all the you have looked up for us, it has been most helpful. Now we will have to put it in order.
I have had a very busy 2 days and have not got back to you until now, and all that you have is very much appreciated thanks so much for that. 
Also I don't know what has happened but the section from the Marriage certificate of Anthony Christie and Margaret Kelly will not open for me. I will keep trying to get it to open.
Thanks for sending it and hope I can access it.
Regards
Annette
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Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly,
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Hi Annette, just thought I'd put my penny's worth in.
AUCHINSTARRY is/was about half a mile from Condorrat Village Cumbernauld heading towards Kilsyth. It was just a handful of cottages.
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Hi Val,
Thanks for that. It was good of you to let me know, thanks again.
Regards,
Annette.
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Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly,
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