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Jason46
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"Cautioners"
« on: Friday 29 February 08 11:03 UTC (UK) »

Two queries.
1/. In the marriage in Harray in 1739 between John Flett and Margaret Smith, the witnesses were James Smith (Cautioner jor man) and John Smith (Cautioner for Woman). I know nothing about Margaret Smith's parents. Could this be a clue, and if so, what does it mean?
2/ I have a name (a widow) followed by the comment 1753 Pundlar Process. Does anyone know what this means?
Jason46
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Wilcher - Bermondsey and Birmingham
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behindthefrogs
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Re: "Cautioners"
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 February 08 11:14 UTC (UK) »

A cautioner is someone who stands surity.  The term is peculiar to Scotland.  In this case it would seem that in addition to witnessing the marriage they are legally responsible for the fact that the participants are in a position to marry.  If the it was later found, for example, to be a bigamous marriage , then they would be fined.

David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
behindthefrogs
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Re: "Cautioners"
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 February 08 11:16 UTC (UK) »

The Pundlar Process was a dispute over weights in Orkney.  See:

http://genealogy.northern-skies.net/genealogy.php?number=70

David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Jason46
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Re: "Cautioners"
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 February 08 13:19 UTC (UK) »

Thanks David
Very prompt, but it raises more questions. I assume that both Smiths were relatives of hers - is that normal, and which one would most likely be her father, if any?
Why would her name have a date behind it followed by Pundlar process?Huh
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Flett - Orkneys
Morrell - Antrim, France, Switzerland and Ballarat
Norse and Swedish Royal families to 1000AD
Rowan - Ireland and Gloucester
Poyntz/Pons - Gloucester, France
Wilcher - Bermondsey and Birmingham
Roberts - Liverpool
Price - Monmouthshire
Smith - Orkneys
Barnsley - Cumberland
Discombe - Devon
Brewer - Devon
Torrington - Devon
behindthefrogs
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Re: "Cautioners"
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 February 08 13:27 UTC (UK) »

I would suspect that the date associated with the widow was that on which she had her weights checked.  Does that fit with the web site?

Assuming that cautioners were involved in a similar way to the sponsor of an English marriage licence, they were frequently not members of the family.  Anyone who knew the person well enough to be confident that the marriage was valid would surely be willing to sponsor them.  No money ws involved until a problem was discovered.

David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes
DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE
Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley.
Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse
Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Jason46
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Re: "Cautioners"
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 March 08 09:42 UTC (UK) »

Thanks David, for your time and the sharing of this information
Much appreciated!
Jason
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Carpenter - Devon and Australia
Flett - Orkneys
Morrell - Antrim, France, Switzerland and Ballarat
Norse and Swedish Royal families to 1000AD
Rowan - Ireland and Gloucester
Poyntz/Pons - Gloucester, France
Wilcher - Bermondsey and Birmingham
Roberts - Liverpool
Price - Monmouthshire
Smith - Orkneys
Barnsley - Cumberland
Discombe - Devon
Brewer - Devon
Torrington - Devon
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