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casram
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George Broadis (1820 –65) didn’t believe in bothering the authorities. He only appears in the 1851 census which shows George, wife Matilda (b.c 1820 Fairford, Gloucs) + Daughter Sarah aged 4 and son George aged 1. George and the children born Brize Norton.
The only other record for George is his death in May 1865.
Matilda died in 1853 – death registered under Brodis but the entry in the Brize Norton PR says ‘1853 Jul 29 Brodis Matilda (reputed) w George 33’. No marriage record for George and Matilda found, no record of the children’s births.
I was resigned not to finding anything about Matilda. Then searching for George jnr’s son in the 1881 census I found him with his uncle Edmund Butler in Brize Norton. Edmund married Sarah Stevens aged 20 in 1865, no father given for her. Another dead end I thought but then I saw George junior’s eldest 2 children baptised in Brize Norton under the surname Stevens (parents given as George and Ann) although they were registered as Broadis.
Looking further I found George junior baptised 25 Dec 1849 in Brize Norton , under the name Stevens son of Matilda, illegitimate, single.
I though I had cracked it until I also found Ferris Sarah 25 Dec 1846 dau Matilda, illegitimate, single woman.
Then I found this Stevens alias Ferris Mary Ann 25 Jan 1852 dau Matilda, illegitimate , single.
Now I am totally confused is Matilda’s maiden name Stevens, Ferris or something else. Would her death certificate show her maiden name? Can't find any Ferris's in Brize Norton.
Any help to sort this out really appreciated as this family are driving me nuts.
Carolyn
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon
London - Fox, Gill
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds,
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney
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avm228
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Very odd.
Perhaps she was born Stevens but had a stepfather named Ferris - or vice versa?
Anna
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« Last Edit: Thursday 28 February 08 11:52 GMT (UK) by avm228 »
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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Have you checked Fairford baptisms for a Matilda about the right time?
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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casram
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I've looked on the LDS site - no Matilda under Stevens or Ferris or variations any where in Gloucestershire.
I'm in Canada so a trip to the Gloucester RO will have to wait.
With this family I think they just didn't want to be found by the authorities. George was a hawker, fiddler and dancing booth proprietor who had several minor brushes with the law.
Carolyn
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon
London - Fox, Gill
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds,
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney
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avm228
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I've looked on the LDS site - no Matilda under Stevens or Ferris or variations any where in Gloucestershire.
I'm in Canada so a trip to the Gloucester RO will have to wait.
With this family I think they just didn't want to be found by the authorities. George was a hawker, fiddler and dancing booth proprietor who had several minor brushes with the law.
Carolyn
I see - well, as we know the LDS site is very far from complete.
It looks as though Gloucs FHS has transcribed Fairford baptisms, though:
http://www.gfhs.org.uk/bapindex.htm
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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SueTeakle
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I can find just three Matildas baptised in Fairford:-
Matilda Jones - 9th November 1817 at St Mary, Fairford
Parents - Thomas & Elizabeth
Occupation - Schoolmaster
Matilda Knight - 24th September 1820 at St Mary, Fairford
Parents - Charles & Ann
Occupation - Shoemaker
Matilda Bond - 12th November 1826 at St Mary, Fairford
Parents - Charles & Harriet
Occupation - Shoemaker
Sue
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casram
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Thanks for that Sue, Matilda Knight is the closest but that would add yet another surname!!!
There are plenty of Stevens in Fairford and a couple of Ferris' but no Matilda. Gloucs FHS have just put Gloucs baptisms on CD so will consider getting that in case she was born elsewhere in Gloucs.
Carolyn
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon
London - Fox, Gill
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds,
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney
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casram
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Hi Lesanne
My Norris's were back in the 17th/18th C, around the Wantage area. Elizabeth Norris married into the Kent family in 1711.
Carolyn
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon
London - Fox, Gill
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds,
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney
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Sally P
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Hi Carolyn
To answer this bit -
Now I am totally confused is Matilda’s maiden name Stevens, Ferris or something else. Would her death certificate show her maiden name? Can't find any Ferris's in Brize Norton.
No a death certificate will not show a maiden name for Matilda. A birth certificate for one of her children will show a father's name (if Matilda counted herself as married), mother's name & maiden name. If the child was illegitimate then it would just give mother's name.
Regards
Sally
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casram
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Hi Sally
Problem is that though she had her children christened (no father mentioned in any) she appears not to have registered any (unless under a surname I haven't found yet!!)
Carolyn
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon
London - Fox, Gill
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds,
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney
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casram
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Finally found a birth registration for a Sarah Stevens which may be the one I want - so will order the certificate and see. Hoepfully it will explain why she was christened Sarah Ferris and married as Sarah Stevens
Carolyn
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Oxfordshire - Broadist, May, Carpenter, Eden
Gloucestershire - Broddis, Deacon
London - Fox, Gill
Norfolk - Stebbings, Gore, Gotts
Berkshire- Haines, Kent, Booker, Noke, Norris
Yorkshire - Ramsbottom, Robinson, Dawson
Northamptonshire - Jones, Loak, Dent, Randall, Reynolds,
Ireland - Withers, Cassidy, Leahy, Sweeney
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