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Windsor87
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Hello all,
I have another problem, this time when comparing the 1841 and 1851 Census.
I have already sought help about my greatx3 grandfather James Christie, well now it is his fathers turn.
I think I found John on the 1841 Census at the Chapel of Garioch:
John Christy - 40 - day labourer - born Ireland?
Jean Christy - 45 - b. Scotland.
William Christy - 15 - b. Scotland.
James Christy - 5 - b. Scotland.
George Christy - 3 - b. Scotland.
This adds up because my John Christie married a Jean Barron, and his son James, who was born in Chapel of Garioch, would have been 5/6 in 1841. So that is good.
The problem comes with the 1851 Census (also Garioch):
John Christie - 62 - Labourer - (Can't read where born).
Mary Christie - 29 - Wife - born Aberdeenshire.
George Christie - 12 - born Aberdeenshire.
Arthur Christie - 4 - born Aberdeenshire.
Mary Christie - 1 - born Aberdeenshire.
As we can see, John seems to have aged 22 years in 10 years. He is also ticked in the deaf/dumb box.
He also has a younger wife by the name of Mary. So it looks like it is not him.
HOWEVER
There is a boy called George who is the right age to be the 1841 George. In addition to that, we know that Jean Barron was dead before 1862. What are the chances of a 12 year old boy with a 29 year old mother and 62 year old father (a 17 year old marrying a 50 year old).
Anyone care to help?
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Aberdeenshire/Banffshire:
Strachan, Connon, Watt, Beattie, Noble, Watt, Sinclair, Garden, Birnie, Wilson, Christie, Gatt, Watson, Sim, Ross, McWilliam, Middleton, Burr, Johnston, Munro, West, Porter, Trail, Bruce, Peddie, Kemp, Smith, Ewen, Kerr, Grieve, Whyte, Ritchie, Mackie, Jamieson, Barron, Grant, Robertson, McKay, Hadden, Forbes, Walls, Shepherd, McDonald, Duncan, Gray, Will, Thomson, Lascelles, Brown, Anderson, Doherty...
Dumfriesshire:
Bryson, Harkness, Scott, Roddick, Armstrong
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AMBLY
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Hi Windsor
If you have the original image of the 1851 - is there a George TAGGART in the house too, age 3 - relationship as "wife's Son" - and occupation as "father uinknown"??
Cheers
AMBLY
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Windsor87
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Hi AMBLY,
Yes, George Taggart is on the census image. Is there a connection?
I'm pretty sure that I've traced the 1851 John to his death at Oyne in 1878 aged 80. His wife would have been Mary Reid. She died at Oyne in 1864 aged 44. I have John and Mary marrying at Kildrummy on 24th March 1851.
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Aberdeenshire/Banffshire:
Strachan, Connon, Watt, Beattie, Noble, Watt, Sinclair, Garden, Birnie, Wilson, Christie, Gatt, Watson, Sim, Ross, McWilliam, Middleton, Burr, Johnston, Munro, West, Porter, Trail, Bruce, Peddie, Kemp, Smith, Ewen, Kerr, Grieve, Whyte, Ritchie, Mackie, Jamieson, Barron, Grant, Robertson, McKay, Hadden, Forbes, Walls, Shepherd, McDonald, Duncan, Gray, Will, Thomson, Lascelles, Brown, Anderson, Doherty...
Dumfriesshire:
Bryson, Harkness, Scott, Roddick, Armstrong
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AMBLY
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Hi Windsor
Well, the 1851 seems to infer that Charles TAGGART is an illigitimate son of Mary.
That could mean she was a married/widowed/deserted/ing TAGGART woman nee ?? who had a child who was not her husbands, or she was nee TAGGART.
And because Charles is 3 while Arthur is 4 in the 1851, it further infers Arthur may be the last child of Jean and so Jean may have died between 1847/48 and 1850 (when dau Mary was born to John and Mary).
IGI has these children born to parents names John CHRISTIE and Mary REID:
Forbes CHRISTIE b abt 1849 Oyne (submitted)
Mary CHRISTIE b 1849/50 , d 1906 (submitted)
Married age 21 on 23 Jul 1870 to George CRUIKSHANK 24, at Oyne
Margaret CHRISTIE b 12 Feb 1852, Chr Mar 1852 Kildrummy. (Extracted)
Peter CHRISTIE b abt 1853 Oyne, (submitted)
Jane CHRISTIE b 12 Apr 1859 Oyne (extracted)
Now - I think Forbes CHRISTIE may be the boy enumerated as Charles TAGGART in 1851?
1861: Eastend Of Benachie Oyne , Aberdeen
Ref" 230, ED 1, pg 2
Head: John CHRISTIE 70, Pauper Ag Lab, b Marykirk, Kincardineshire
Wife: Mary CHRISTIE 40, b Cabrach, Aberdeenshire
Son: Forbes CHRISTIE 12, b Oyne
Dau: Mary CHRISTIE 10, b Oyne
Son: Peter CHRISTIE 8, b Oyne
Dau: Jean CHRISTIE 2, b Oyne
1871: Benachie, Oyne, Aberdeenshire
Head: John CHRISTIE 73, (pauper) Agricult: Labourer, b Monmuir, Forfarshire
Dau: Jane CHRISTIE 11, b Oyne
Forbes married Elizabeth ALLAN in 1870 Aberdeen (IGI) and on the 1881 Census , he gives his POB as Chapel of Garioch.
Did Mary REID / CHRISTIE's death record state her parents names ?
IGI has this:
Mary REID b 27 Oct 1822, chr 03 NOV 1822 Cabrach, Aberdeen
Parents: James REID and Ann TAGGART
Cheers
AMBLY
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Windsor87
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With regard to Mary Reid, I know that her mother's maiden name was Taggart.
I think that we can be fairly sure that the 1841 and 1851 John Christie are the same person. The inconsistency in age seems to have been a trait of this character.
1841 - he was 40.
1851 - he was 62.
1861 - he was 70.
1871 - he was 73.
1878 - he was 80. (Got it right at death).
The only think that now bothers me is the fact that the 1841 census seems to suggest that he was born in Ireland (There is a capital 'I' in the end box (unless that stands for imbecile which goes hand in hand with the 1851 census)).
I can find no record of Arthur Christe's birth.
Here are the children I found belonging to John Christie and Jean Barron, all born in Chapel of Garioch:
Alexander Christie (b.1824) Twin
William Christie (b.1824) Twin
John Christie (b.1826)
Anne Christie (b.1828)
James Christie (b.1835)
Jean Barron Christie (b.1837)
George Christie (b.1838)
They stop with George in 1838.
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Aberdeenshire/Banffshire:
Strachan, Connon, Watt, Beattie, Noble, Watt, Sinclair, Garden, Birnie, Wilson, Christie, Gatt, Watson, Sim, Ross, McWilliam, Middleton, Burr, Johnston, Munro, West, Porter, Trail, Bruce, Peddie, Kemp, Smith, Ewen, Kerr, Grieve, Whyte, Ritchie, Mackie, Jamieson, Barron, Grant, Robertson, McKay, Hadden, Forbes, Walls, Shepherd, McDonald, Duncan, Gray, Will, Thomson, Lascelles, Brown, Anderson, Doherty...
Dumfriesshire:
Bryson, Harkness, Scott, Roddick, Armstrong
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