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Goodwin SMITH
« on: Monday 03 March 08 18:37 UTC (UK) »
My great grandfather was originally called James Gooding and was born in Tunstall in 1844. His parents were called James and Jemima (sometimes spelt Jamima). He married Emily Whayman and then changed his name to William Smith and moved to Chelmsford, Essex and had several children who all had the prefix Goodwin or Gooding to the surname. Does anyone have any information regarding my family especially as to why James changed his name. (The story goes he jumped ship). Many thanks, Kate.
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Re: Goodwin Smith
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 March 08 18:48 UTC (UK) »
Hallo and welcome to Rootschat.


Marriage

James Goodwin
Jemima Hostler

1840 
Sep  qtr.
Plomesgate 
Volume: 12 
Page: 553 
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Re: Goodwin Smith
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 March 08 18:52 UTC (UK) »
Welcome to RootsChat

Are you certain you have the correct james?

1871 there is james Gooding age 28 b. Tunstall Suffolk occupation ag lab -at home with parents James and jemima

however

1871 there is James Gooding age 27 b. Blythburg Suffolk on board the vessel "Amigo" on census night

wouldn't the latter fit in better with a tale of "jumping ship"

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Re: Goodwin Smith
« Reply #3 on: Monday 03 March 08 19:13 UTC (UK) »
in 1851 there is also a James Smith b. Lwestoft Suffolk -who has a brother William who was b Essex?Huh?

Do you have james and Emily's marriage cert?

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Re: Goodwin Smith
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 March 08 19:43 UTC (UK) »
Hiya Kate

I have the Tunstall parish registers on microfiche...

The following three children were all baptised on 8 Feb 1846:
James Gooding - born 18 Jun 1842
Henry Gooding - born 29 Mar 1844
George Gooding - born 19 Apr 1845

In all three cases the parents were recorded as James Gooding and Jemima, late Ostler.

James (senior) died age 69 and was buried on 30 Jan 1883 in Tunstall. Jemima died age 57 and was buried 30 Sept 1875, also in Tunstall.

SuffolkSue found the marriage registration above. Plomesgate covers Tunstall. However the marriage didn't take place in Tunstall and the banns weren't called there either. In fact I see from the 1881 Census of Tunstall that James (senior) was born in nearby Blaxhall.

Just to eliminate him, there's another James Gooding (age 42) listed in the 1881 Census of Tunstall. This one was born 16 Dec 1838, baptised 10 Mar 1839, and was the son of George Gooding and Mary (formerly Knights).

The James Gooding aboard the 'Amigo' was James Goodwin, son of William and Maria Goodwin, baptised 15 Oct 1843 in Blythburgh. (William and Maria were actually my 3xgreat-grandparents!)

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Re: Goodwin Smith
« Reply #5 on: Monday 03 March 08 19:48 UTC (UK) »
This is probably the birth registration...

James GOODING
June quarter 1842
Plomesgate, vol 12 page 385
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Re: Goodwin Smith
« Reply #6 on: Monday 03 March 08 21:08 UTC (UK) »
Hi again, wow I heard that rootschat was good but I am very impressed with you all!!

I had half-heartedly assumed that the James Gooding on the Amigo was my great grandfather because it fitted with the story but I'm now sure that he is the wrong man.

I have the marriage certificate and for some reason they were married in Witham, Essex. I am sure I have the right couple because I know that Emily Whayman's father was Alfred and it would be too much of a coincidence for there to be two Alfred Whaymans with daughters called Emily.

I also have birth certificates for their daughters and I have information regarding the death of their son in WW1 and it all tallies up nicely.

The surname for James mother Jemima is new to me and I'm very excited to find it out. Something else to bore my colleagues at the Post Office tomorrow with Grin
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Re: Goodwin Smith
« Reply #7 on: Monday 03 March 08 22:56 UTC (UK) »
Hi Kate

I'm pleased that we could help you.  Smiley

I think we're all intrigued by your ancestor's change of name. Presumably you have cast-iron indisputable proof that he changed his name from James Gooding to William Smith. I for one would be interested to know what the evidence is and how it all fits together. You never know, something else might come to light.

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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast
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Re: Goodwin Smith
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 06:10 UTC (UK) »
Hi again,

This is the story as far as I know it. Some of it is childhood memories that my cousin and I have. My grandad knew very little about his family.

My great grandfather jumped ship, changed his name to Smith because it was a common name, and moved to the east end of London. The 'east end' turned out to be Chelmsford, Essex. It was guessed that his original name was Goodwin because all the boys in my family who were called Smith were called Goodwin as a prefix to the surname. My great grandmother was called Emily Whayman which I got from the birth certificates of my Grandad who was called Ernest Goodwin Smith. I then obtained a marriage certificate for Emily Whayman and was surprised to find that her husband was given as James Gooding. I had assumed that William had kept his christian name and just changed his surname. In fact there was a William Woolnough who was born in Tunstall at roughly the same time as James and his mother was called Sarah Smith so people who had previously looked into my family history had assumed this was my great grandfather. One of my great aunts called Ada Goodwin Smith but the younger one was called Emily GOODING Smith. As you can tell it all adds up. I have looked into deportation of criminals in case James had escaped from a prison ship but no luck. My grandfather was a very quiet and gentle person so it's hard to imagine that his father was very different. I am waiting for death certificates for William Smith and Emily (Whayman) Smith to see if that gives me any clues. I am hoping I have got the right William and Emily. Ordering certificates is quite a risk with a name like Smith.

My grandfather was quite a bit younger than his sisters and I think that two of his brothers died young. William jr died in WW1 and I have visited his grave. It is also likely that William sr and Emily died quite young also which would explain the story that Grandad told me about his limp. He said that when he was younger he was a 'street urchin' often sleeping by the bakery for the warmth. He broke his leg but it was never treated leaving him with one leg slightly shorter than the other and a limp which meant he never joined the forces like his brother. His other brother George Goodwin Smith is thought to have moved to Scotland to work in the ship building industry and I can find no trace of him at all.

I remember my grandfather being asked about his family but he got very upset and admitted that he knew virtually nothing. I don't think he was even sure what his brothers and sisters names were. In fact I probably know more now than he did!

I would be great to get some more infomation about my family. Originally I was hoping to find someone of the same generation as me but I'm now beginning to think that my great aunts and uncles may have all died so young that they had no children.

Strange story isn't it? I just hope that when the 1911 census comes out my grandad isn't found in a workhouse.

Kate.
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Re: Goodwin SMITH
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 18:18 UTC (UK) »
I've had a bit of a result since I posted last. I went on genesreunited and contacted a chap with Jemima Hostler in his tree and he has details of James Gooding's parents. Something completely new to me. The odd thing is he had Jemima's husband listed as James Goodwin which ties in very well with James Gooding/William Smith and Emily Whayman's children being called either Goodwin or Gooding as a middle name. It's all looking very neat and tidy Cheesy
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Re: Goodwin SMITH
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 18:24 UTC (UK) »
Did you get details of Jemima Hostlers parents then?
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Re: Goodwin SMITH
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 18:40 UTC (UK) »
No details of Jemima's parents only James. Still very exciting. Does everyone get as obsessed as me when they do this??
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