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Hi All, Just to let you know I have received Sampson Roberts birth cert and Kris you were right , his Father James Roberts & Mother Mary Roberts formerly Paull.Thank you all for your help, I shall no doubt be asking you soon to help me find out more on the Paull family, but for now , I will start correcting my tree.
Kind Regards Hotdog.
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That is great news Hotdog, lovely to hear you have your answer and can now make your corrections to your tree. It can be so easy to get carried away researching a wrong line. So pleased to have solved it. Thanks for letting us know...........Kris 
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Hi, I am now looking to find the parents of Mary Jane Paull,her father was a William Paull. Mary Jane married James Roberts Feb 1848 Newlyn East. I have gone over all the census for 1841 in the area, and cannot find a suitable match, Any help once again would be most appreciated.
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I am the stubborn one on the Roberts-Paull-Beard thing.
And to who is the mother of Sampson Roberts. ( I think there were two born within a couple years both to a Roberts with a wife named Mary)
I respect Hotdog's hard work and am willing to change my records if someone can just put me on the right path.
Marriage
March 1847
Mary Ann Beard to James Henry Roberts,Truro 9 343
Marriage December 1846
Mary Paull to William ROBERTS , 9 575
So all we really need to do is find the correct marriage and the thing for me will be done.
About 15 years ago, I took the Mary PAULL root and found out I was wrong. It is really confusing to take 15 years of research and redo it again. 
Anyhow, My marriage date for James Henry Roberts to Mary BEARD is February 27,1847 at Cost-is-lost. They farm at "Rose" St. Agnes.
The only idea I have is that James first wife died and he remarried quickly after Elizabeth Jane his first child was born. Find her birth and all will be solved.
Cornishgal.
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Hi Cornishgal,
Sorry I am totally lost here. I do believe we have proved Mary Jane Paul was in fact the mother of Sampson. Hotdog now has the birth certificate to prove this. We have baptisms for all the children of James and Mary. The marriage was
James ROBERTS = Mary Jane PAUL Mar 1/4 1848 St Col 9 73
and not 1846 as you suggest 
This thread has been backward and forward over this. We have the Banns of the marriage in Newlyn 1848 which fits perfectly as James was from Newlyn and Mary Jane living there at the time. Hotdog has information that the marriage was indeed in Newlyn. Census records clearly prove this is the same couple due to their places of birth. Baptism Records prove just who their children were and these children can clearly be seen as a part of the same household.
Yes there was another marriage of a James and Mary Beard. There was a Sampson born in 1853 parents unknown but possibly he was born to this James and Mary Beard union. I cannot say for sure as there is no baptism that I can see for this Sampson. Regardless this later born Sampson does not appear in any census. I believe there is a death to explain why this is so, mentioned earlier in this thread. James and Mary Beard never lived in Perranzabuloe.
We can see this James and Mary in the Census with their Children. There is no Sampson in their family. You will note that the only other Sampson in any census is not connected to this area of Cornwall, nor is his mother Mary. It is quite clear which couple is which due to a brother in Law conveniently being present in both households in the 1851 census.
If you believe Mary Beard is Sampson's mother I am sorry to say it but I feel you do need to seriously re-access your reasoning. I believe we have proved without doubt just who Sampson's parents were, but it is up to each and every one of us to make our own assumptions based on the proof at hand. I believe we have proved just who Sampson is due to his age in all census records, his place of birth provided in the census, his siblings provided in the census, both his baptisms and the those of his siblings, Mary's brother in the census and Sampson's death all point to this being correct. And the final piece is the birth certificate hotdog has. His mother was in fact Mary Jane Paul.
I am actually rather confused how this other couple have been thought to be the parents at all when they do not have a son Sampson appearing in any census. The only thing I have seen anywhere which suggests this is an incorrect entry on the IGI. The entry was submitted by a member of the LDS Church. It has been proved to be quite incorrect as the dates provided do not tally with any birth or death records held at the GRO. I am sorry but somebody did get it wrong - not the first time.
I have just this minute realised that some of your posts relate to Hotdogs family so you two are connected. How lovely for you both 
Hope you get it sorted. All the best.............Kris
Hotdog I will see if I can find anything further on Mary Jane Paul 
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Thank you Kris, I would appreciate any help on Mary Jane Paull.
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Hi Hotdog,
Do we have an occupation for father William? Is that what the marriage cert says? I am not having any luck either
I thought I had it - there is one baptised Truro Wesleyan. The father was listed as Carpenter. (later Builder and Kenwyn) She had a brother William the right age so I was quite keen, but couldnt find them in 1841. Submitted IGI suggested a husband for this girl. I have now found this family in Liverpool (Where marriage later took place) and this girl is still with her family in 1851 unmarried so that entry does appear to be correct, so this is not your girl.
Just wondering if you have any further information from the marriage cert as to the father Williams occ, residence and witnesses. Maybe it will help
Presently rather baffled. Given her census refs she should have been born 1826-1830
Kris
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Hotdog,
I Have been perservering with this and I wonder if I may just be onto something here 
William PAUL = Mary WILKIN 23 July 1814 St Agnes
Now I find 3 baptisms on the same day to two different mothers
26 Apr 1832 Ebenezer Chapel - Falmouth Bible Christian Mary daughter of William PAUL, miner of St Agnes and Mary his wife the daughter of Richard and Mary WILKIN was born 1 Dec 1825
She was a twin
26 Apr 1832 Ebenezer Chapel - Falmouth Bible Christian Martha daughter of William PAUL, miner of St Agnes and Mary his wife the daughter of Richard and Mary WILKIN was born 1 Dec 1825
now on the same day we have
26 Apr 1832 Ebenezer Chapel - Falmouth Bible Christian William son of William PAUL, miner of St Agnes and Mary Ann his wife the daughter of Peter and Mary KNIGHT was born 18 Dec 1830
Now I note in St Agnes burials we have
Mary PAULL 18 Oct 1829 aged 35
Martha PAULL 9 July 1834 aged 9
William PAULL = Maryann KNIGHT 1 Mar 1830 St Agnes
Now IGI suggest 2 more births (unverified) Caroline no date 1831 and William Henry baptised 1833. Now there is a burial for Caroline 14 Apr 1833 St Agnes. I do not see a baptism but the burial does exist. (I can't say who parents were) If this couple had a second son William there is no burial for the first one listed in St Agnes. Of course it is possible the local Vicar brought them back to the fold of the established Church so this may have been a second baptism. Sorry I just don't know, but to date this is the best I can find. Still nothing is jumping out at me in 1841.
Cheers Kris
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Hi Kris, The marriage cert for James Roberts & Mary Jane Paull, has Father of Mary Jane as a Miner, the witness are a Mary Fidock & Henry Stephens, hope this maybe of some help.Thanks again for helping with this.
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Hotdog is right and I am wrong.
I am so pleased that I never went too far on the BEARD side of the family.
All that matters now, is correction to be made. I wish I had the luxury of living in England so I could do my own research.
Hotdog has been wonderful to me by supplying various family photos too and information.
When a person has spent more than 15 years doing family history and you think you got the facts right, but are at times proven wrong.
Church records, and government records seem to be the only safe thing to rely upon.
Thank-you
Now on to the PAULL family!!
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Hi Hotdog,
Sorry to say I have not turned up anything else. I have had numerous attempts to find them in the census, to no avail. I do think the baptism I found seems the most positive there is, particularly as you have the occupation of miner from the cert. They certainly are not being very cooperative, that is for sure. I just cannot find this family in 1841. Perhaps parents had died - nothing listed in St Agnes to 1837.
A marriage cert not stating deceased is no guarantee he was still living. With the second wife we have no idea how old she was. She may have been substantially younger than her husband. (A couple of possibles on the IGI) First marriage in 1814 along with first wife dying aged 35 in 1829 gives us a birth for her of 1794. William must have been born by then and probably earlier. I see noone to match this in the census. Hope you have had more luck than me.
The witnesses are sadly of no help - they are parish witnesses. Henry was the Parish Clerk at that time and Mary was the Sextons wife
Kris
Glad to hear you are now on the right track Cornish Gal. How very fortunate for you to have made contact with Hotdog. Photo's can be so precious. Bet you are thrilled to bits.
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Hi Kris, Many thanks for all your hard work on this one. I am afraid I have had no luck with them, I will have to just leave it for a while, at least we got Sampson Roberts with the right Mother now. Once again I appreciate all the help everyone has given me.
Kind Regards Hotdog
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