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Topic: Did he have a brother Edward? (Read 425 times)
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avm228
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I've searched for Luke Hill in 1841 and found him living in Gedney with his mother, Ann aged 64 and his brother, Mark, aged 20. Luke is 25.
1841 doesn't state family relationships - so how do you know that Ann was his mother and Mark his brother?
IGI has this baptism:
Luke HILL 22 May 1814 Tydd St Mary
son of Joseph Henry HILL and Susan
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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Found Luke now says b Cambridgeshire !
Jane
The parish of Tydd St Mary is split between Lincolnshire and Cambridgeshire
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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I've searched for Luke Hill in 1841 and found him living in Gedney with his mother, Ann aged 64 and his brother, Mark, aged 20. Luke is 25.
1841 doesn't state family relationships - so how do you know that Ann was his mother and Mark his brother? IGI has this baptism: Luke HILL 22 May 1814 Tydd St Mary son of Joseph Henry HILL and Susan Anna
Marriage (also IGI, extracted)
Joseph Henry HILL
Susanna SAMPSON
17 May 1812 Tydd St Mary
There are no other baptisms of children of this couple listed in the parish on IGI
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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I guess I now need to see if I can find out if Joseph had any brothers/sisters and trace their families.
If you go to the Luke Hill baptism that I found on IGI and search on the batch number and surname "Hill" you will find baptisms of children of some Hill families in the parish though, as I say, no more of Joseph Henry Hill and his wife Susan.
One couple producing children at about the same time appear to be a William and Ann - she could be the Ann you found in 1841. (Modified - there's also a Robert Hill and Ann).
I don't see Mark's baptism at all (IGI as we all know is far from complete, even for parishes which are included). So he may or may not be a brother of Luke.
No Edward either, I'm afraid.
Anna 
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Mum44
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Well, I'm sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick - but on that thread you said "it's no use looking on her marriage certificate because she was illigitimate"
So, in that case - her father would not have appeared on her birth certificate ?
I'm just a tad confused....and if he was "made-up" on her birth certificate, then perhaps that's why he's proving so difficult to find? Or have I misunderstood completely ?
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush. Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham. Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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avm228
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This was the thread re the birth certificate:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,289651.msg1723524.html#msg1723524
Fathers of illegitimate children were sometimes, albeit rarely, named on birth certificates - I don't think one can automatically assume that Edward Hill was a figment of the mother's imagination.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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