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Topic: John Hawks/Hawkes of Stafford to Australia in 1837 (Read 1139 times)
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trish251
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Hi 85jbk and welcome to rootschat
On the IGI
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
the only extracted record I can find for a possible John is this one
JOHN HAWKES Christening: 25 DEC 1817 Saint Matthew, Walsall, Stafford, England
Father THOMAS HAWKES Mother SARAH
but I can't find a suitable marriage for Thomas and Sarah. There are quite a number of siblings listed, with John being the oldest and Joseph 1828 the youngest. batch is C010304
Seem to be lots of marriages for Hawkes at St Mathews before and after the early 1800s - but can't find anything in the right timeframe.
I'll check for the above family in 1840 & we should hope that John is missing
Trish
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trish251
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There is a marriage of a John Hawkes to Jane Hawkins
27 MAR 1837 Saint Marys, Handsworth, Stafford, England also on the IGI - would this marriage be too late to be your man. Where/When was his trial? Stafford?
There is a Henry baptised at St Matthew's Walsall 8 Sep 1837 parents John Hawkes and Jane
In 1841, living in Walsall - no sign of John
HO107/983/2 42/43 Staffordshire Walsall THe Borough 1841
Jane Hawkes 20 Needle w Y
Henry do 4 Y
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trish251
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When I started my research people talked to me about the IGI & I was too embarrassed by my ignorance to ask what it was!
I soon discovered that for folks living a long way from their roots, the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints provides wonderful on-line and off line family history information. There are many discussions of this in RootsChat & it will be very worth your while to have a browse. Berlin Bob's lexicon is probably a good starting point for many online links and explanations.
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/index.php
It has many links to discussions on the IGI and the many ways to use it.
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/reflib-lexicon.php?letter=I&lang=
The home page of the LDS is also a good starting place
http://www.familysearch.org/
In terms of your question on batch numbers - yes you can use the batch number to find the siblings
Civil registration began in England in Sep 1837 - prior to this the only "registration" records are church records. For their own purposes - but also for preservation of records and sharing - the LDS filmed vast quantities of Church records from around the world & indexed many of these - the resulting index being the IGI (International Genealogical Index). The Indexes of the filmed records were stored in batches. A batch usually (but not always) contains births or marriages from a single parish. (Burials were seldom indexed). Thus if you find a person of interest in a particular batch, you can search that batch only & find all folks with e.g. the same surname. If the family moved, this will not be of much help, but in earlier centuries folks were not as mobile as they are today. This is a good discussion on the IGI and a useful website
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm
You can also do a "family search" of the IGI - which is how I found the siblings
Put nothing in the name - put Thomas Hawkes in father & Sarah in Mother
Select required year & variance (e.g. 1820 +/- 10)
Select region, country & county (can omit county if unsure)
As well as a batch number, most records found return a "film" number. Via the home page of the familysearch site you can check for your closest LDS centre. You can go there (they are very helpful folks) and order the films from the parishes of interest. Often there will be more detail on the film. Many (most perhaps) baptisms in England/Wales only have the mother's given name. If you have any Scottish roots you will find many of their baptisms also give the maiden name of the mother.
I could not find Sarah & Henry on the 1851 census. Did they come to Australia? It would be quite possible that Sarah remarried & Henry could have taken on his step father's name. This would be in the civil records. I'll see if I can find anything.
Trish
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85jbk
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I am not sure if Sarah and son came to Australia,and with her being so young she possibly did remarry,but I can't provide any additional information on this.
I do know that when John came to Australia when he was 21 he didnt marry until he was quite old, like aged 43.
John had received his TOl in 1842 after serving 5 of his 7 year sentence.
John did marry in 1852, in Seymour,Victoria, Australia to a MaryAnn Davis from Cork,Ireland who was underage as permission had to be given for her to marry,(another line that has come to a dead end, that I need to follow up).
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Wells-Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Carlyle -Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Underwood - Ruthwell,Dumfrieshire
Grierson - Ruthwell,Dumfrishire
O'Halloran- Limerick
Bryan (O'Brien)Limerick
Hawks/Hawkes - Staffordshire, England
Badgery - Staffordshire, England
Davis- Cork- Ireland
Neville - Ireland
O'Toole - Limerick
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trish251
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I have had no joy with following up my Irish Roots - including a young lass (like yours probably) who arrived around the time of the potato famine. Mine married, I am sure, about age 15 - but no-one worried about permission!!
I haven't been able to see a marriage or any further cenus information for your folks. It is probably worth putting a query on the Staffordshire thread - make sure you say what you already know and/or link to this thread - it avoids folks finding the same information again.
It would seem unlikely that Sarah & son (if they are the right family) came to Australia.
Trish
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trish251
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OK - To add a link to a thread, simply open the thread (as per you are reading this one - it is open) and copy the web address from the top of the screen. You can then paste the link into your new text - so this is a link to this thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,289416.0/topicseen.html.
and you can thus copy it if you wish  . Click on it & this thread will open in a new window.
You then need to go to the staffordshire board (you are on the beginners board at the moment) and start a new thread (same as you started this one on the beginners board - select new topic)
This is the address for the Staffordshire board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,34.0.html
There are also some "links" given there that may help your search.
The alternate to providing the link is to explain what has been found (census 1841 and births/marriage on the IGI) & then decide what you would like to find? Later marriages, later census information, how to confirm that this is your family
Trish
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85jbk
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Hi 85jbk and welcome to rootschat On the IGI http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=truethe only extracted record I can find for a possible John is this one JOHN HAWKES Christening: 25 DEC 1817 Saint Matthew, Walsall, Stafford, England Father THOMAS HAWKES Mother SARAH but I can't find a suitable marriage for Thomas and Sarah. There are quite a number of siblings listed, with John being the oldest and Joseph 1828 the youngest. batch is C010304 Seem to be lots of marriages for Hawkes at St Mathews before and after the early 1800s - but can't find anything in the right timeframe. I'll check for the above family in 1840 & we should hope that John is missing Trish
Been thinking, given John was listed as Protestant on the convict list do you think perhaps the family is of Irish decent and maybe thats why there isnt a record of marriage for Thomas and Sarah?
Jill
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Wells-Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Carlyle -Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Underwood - Ruthwell,Dumfrieshire
Grierson - Ruthwell,Dumfrishire
O'Halloran- Limerick
Bryan (O'Brien)Limerick
Hawks/Hawkes - Staffordshire, England
Badgery - Staffordshire, England
Davis- Cork- Ireland
Neville - Ireland
O'Toole - Limerick
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trish251
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There were protestants in England at this time - I have some ancestors from Staffordshire & they were all protestants (I think it was quite a protestant area but others would know more than I do). I would think it might be more likely to point to this John not being your man  - unless the family left the church for some reason - which did happen, but doesn't look too likely. I don't know enough about the church in Staffordshire at this time to provide a very good answer
sorry
Trish
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patmotty
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
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TRISH
I found your posts and I am not sure what I am doing with this forum. I live in Australia and I am a descendant of John hawkes convict and I would like to find out more about his English side prior to being deported and I would also like to find out more about his wife in Australia Mary Ann Davis from Cork Ireland. I am aware of Jane hawkins and have the BC for their child.
Thanks
pat
AUSTRALIA
There is a marriage of a John Hawkes to Jane Hawkins
27 MAR 1837 Saint Marys, Handsworth, Stafford, England also on the IGI - would this marriage be too late to be your man. Where/When was his trial? Stafford?
There is a Henry baptised at St Matthew's Walsall 8 Sep 1837 parents John Hawkes and Jane
In 1841, living in Walsall - no sign of John
HO107/983/2 42/43 Staffordshire Walsall THe Borough 1841
Jane Hawkes 20 Needle w Y
Henry do 4 Y
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Hawkes - UK & Australia
Mott - UK & Australia
Davis - Cork Ireland & Australia
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trish251
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Hi Pat
and welcome to RootsChat - you seem to be doing what folks do - posting on a thread in which you are interested and hopefully finding some more information.
I was simply trying to find some information for Jill (85jbk) and probably know nothing else about the family other than mentioned on the thread. It would seem that you & Jill may be related - hopefully she will note the posting on this thread & reply. She may have found more information since this discussion which was some months ago.
If you don't understand anything I posted, please do ask
Trish
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