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Lincslass
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I have a Joseph Lonsdale born 1840 in Blackburn, a cotton spinner by trade. By 1881 his wife Mary Jane nee Clarkson says she is widowed and she is living with her future husband John Burns and had a child born Mar 1876 which I suspect is Johns and not Josephs. I can find no death for Joseph.
I have a Joseph Lonsdale who emigrated in 1872 aged 32, a spinner and can see a Joseph aged 30 on the 1880 census working in a cotton mill and married to Mary?. Later censuses still have him born 1850 but he is with wife Bridget but both wives were born Ireland about the same time. So I am assuming they are one and the same.
Because of the age difference I would like to confirm it IS him but I cannot find any death record or naturlization papers which would give his DOB. Does anyone have access to these records please.
I know its a bit of a long shot. But I found my Great grandfather on the censuses losing 10 years and yet his naturalisation papers had his correct DOB.
Cheers in advance
Jo
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JustJean
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Hi there
I'd be happy to have a trawl through the Maine BMD microfilm at Portland Library next trip....which may be a couple weeks or more out but hopefully within a month. If he died in Saco it should be there. I may even be able to find out where he's buried etc.
Just let me know what or if you'd like a search for......
Best wishes
Jean (about an hour from Saco)
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KathMc
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I have found a living Lonsdale in Saco. I will send a PM with the address. It's worth a shot. It is a long shot, but I have found immigration dates on census records to be all over the place.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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Lincslass
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Thanks for all your replies. There are no other Joseph Lonsdales who arrived of the correct age or anywhere near before the 1880 census and certianly not 1863.
I have checked for Bridgets arrival. And there are several that arrive early on but two who arrive 1875. This is based on a tree from Rootsweb who has daughter Mary Lonsdale born 26th Oct 1879 to Joseph Lonsdale and Bridget Leary. In 1880 Mary is with them aged 1 as is William also aged 1. William stays with them through the censuses I see.
I do not trust the information given on the censuses at all but assume Bridget arrived as she stated. However I suspect this is irrelivent.
Jean, Many thanks for your kind offer. I would very much like to see if there is a marriage between Joseph Lonsdale and Bridget Leary after his arrival in August 1872 and the baptism of Mary Lonsdale to see if any information is given. As they had two young children in 1880, I would think it would be the last half of the 1870s for the marriage. And they had to settle too, meet and one assumes a courtship. 
Any help would be much appreciated.
Jo
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JustJean
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I'll do my best. Maine records are rather sketchy prior to 1892 so there may be no extant marriage record for them. I note that the 1913 Saco City Directory states Bridget is a widow. That narrows up a death window for Joseph quite nicely. I would hope that a DC will at least provide parents names and an age by year, month, and day in addtion to cause and most probably place of burial. They do not from this era, unfortunately, give a date of birth. The 1900 census in Saco does give a lovely summary of the rather large family.....and also gives a month and year of birth for Joseph as Apr 1851. Children at home are William, Annie, Cornelius, Joseph, Katie, Jennie, Ella. Bridget has borne 10 and 9 are living. Let's hope the DC will provide parents names as the age difference seems to be a consistent thing!
Best wishes
Jean
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Lincslass
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Thanks Jean
Yes I too have seen the censuses and can spot 8 of the 9 surviving children. Hopefully something will come up that is useful. My own Gt grandad died in 1934 and applied for a passport in 1920 which is where I got the confirmation from. Fingers crossed with Joseph. Thanks again.
Jo
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KathMc
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Please keep us posted. I love to see how these things turn out.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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JustJean
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Well I'm finally back from the library
I'm not sure we have any more conclusive news but here goes....
The DC for Joseph Lonsdale states:
Place of death: Saco
Street: High
No. 4
Ward 4
Date of Death: Yr 1910, Month 4th, Day 29
Age: Years 60 Months - Days 27
Place of birth: England
Sex: M
Color: W
M for Married
Occupation: Laborer
Name of Father: William Lonsdale
Maiden name of Mother: ?
Birthplace of Father: England
Birthplace of Mother: ?
No other entries...cause of death is blank as is occupation of father. The question marks are as entered on the form and not because I couldn't read it!!
The backside of the DC states:
Place of burial: Saco - Laurel Hill
Undertaker: F. C. Bradbury
P.O. Address: Saco, Me
Undertaker
I also grabbed the two MC for Joseph T. Lonsdale Jr.
On Oct 19, 1909 he was wed to Drusilla M. Smith both of Saco and both 24 years of age. Joseph states his father is Jospeh T. Lonsdale of Saco and his occupation is "retired" and his birthplace is England. Mother's names is Bridget Leary of Saco and her birthplace is Ireland.
Drusilla dies of Typhoid Fever on 3 July 1911 at Saco.
On 13 August 1914 Jospeh T. Lonsdale marries Isabel E. Davis in Saco. Joseph states his father is Joseph Lonsdale deceased born England and his mother is Bridget Leary, a housekeeper, b. County Cork, Ire.
A check of the Maine Cemetery Inscriptions, York County, Vol 2, Page 1450 gives us the following entries for Laurel Hill Cemetery, Saco, Maine:
Lonsdale, Joseph, Maine, Capt. 1114 SVC Comd Unit WWI and II. 24 March 1885 - 27 Dec 1955.
Druzillah M., wife of Capt. Jospeh Lonsdale, 20 AUg 1885 - 3 July 1911
Isabel, wife of Joseph Lonsdale, 1893 - 1943
Lonsdale, Joseph 1850 - 1910
B. Beatrice, wife of Joseph Lonsdale 1854 - 1941
I had a fast look on the films for a death of Bridget but did not see one. I may have missed it but ran out of time today to search again.
I also checked the microfilm roll #67, Pre 1892 Delayed Returns, for a possible Lonsdale marriage in Maine and there was none found. This of course does not mean they didn't marry in Maine. Anything prior to 1892 is often held at the local level if it exists at all. Not sure how Saco stands on those but even if one was located it is highly doubtful it would contain any information on parents names.
So now about all you have to run with is a father named William Lonsdale and a possible middle name for Bridget of Beatrice. Joseph's age is still out by a decade. I'll let you draw your own conclusions!!!
Best wishes
Jean
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Lincslass
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Well that certianly looks like him. I have his birth as the June Q 1940 and his father was William. What a little tinker lying about his age all those years. I can't thank you enough for going to the trouble of checking for me. Thankyou, thankyou. If you ever need any look ups from the parish records or anything to do with Buckinghamshire, England, just let me know.
Thank you again
Jo
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