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Topic: Charles Thomas HURRELL - Barnstaple, Devon (Read 924 times)
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Blue_angel2
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Hi all,
After searching for my elusive ancestor for the past couple of years, and despite now knowing his full correct name and birthplace, I have been unable to find out anything further about his parents, childhood or any other siblings he may have had.
I am hoping that someone will be able to help me find some record of him in Barnstaple where he was born, and find some information that will lead to the remainder of his family. 
His name was Charles Thomas Hurrell, and he was born in 1862/1863, Barnstaple, Devon, according to his death certificate, which is the only thing i have to go on at present, as i can find no immigration/emigration records for him, indeed no reference to him at all in England. He married Margaret Donnelly in New South Wales, Australia.
I will be very grateful for any help anyone is able to provide to help me solve this puzzle a bit further.
cheers for now,
Barb
ps. If he was born in Barnstaple, which church parishes would be nearby that he or his siblings could perhaps have been baptised in, or even his parents married in??? Do they have records online?
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TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
O'SHEA Co Cork Ireland > Oz:
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HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
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Mum44
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Hello Barb
Been looking for you - no success. I have to say I have doubts about Barnstaple - on the 1861 and 1871 census there are plenty of Hurrells in Devon but they all come from and are living in the south of the county, whereas Barnstaple of course is North Devon.
There are a smattering of Horrell families further north, nearer to Barnstaple, none with a Charles and I tried Thomas too.
Have you found his marriage registration? That might help with parents names 
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Hi Mum 
Thank you for looking for me. He has been so difficult to find!!!!
I have a copy of his marriage certificate and also his death certificate, but there is no mention of any parents names anywhere. Both events occurred in NSW, Australia.
He would have arrived in Oz about 1879, so only young when he left England. I had found a couple of Hurrell baptisms in Barnstaple around the right time (I think that was on Freebmd), but no mention of him with that family. I had wondered if it could have been Horrell but couldn't find him with any name variants that i tried.
Any other suggestions??
Cheers for now,
Barb
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TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
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HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
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Mum44
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Barbara - I'm afraid no other suggestions! 
The other tw Charles Hurrells born 1862, 1863 are still there in 1881 and 1891, so not them !
Does the certificate actually state Devon - ?
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
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Good morning Mum
On one of his children's birth certificates in 1999 (which he was the informant on) he was aged 36 years, born in Barnstaple, Devonshire, England. He was a painter at the time of his marriage, then a publican by the time this child was born.
I spent two years and lots of $ chasing up Thomas (as he was known) Hurrell and his family, only to eventually find that his real name was Charles Thomas!!!!
The family that i thought he may have belonged to, but have been unable to connect at this stage, Was the family of John Richard Clements Hurrell, b c 1829 in Busham Devon, who was a ships master "on Vessels at sea or abroad" in 1861 census, and in the pacific at that time. (Apparently our Charles Thomas had a great love for the pacific islands)
He married in Sept 1/4 1862 in Barnstaple. His children appear to be Eva Martha Clements Hurrell b June 1/4 1865 and John Clements P Hurrell b Sept 1/4 1868, both born in Barnstaple.
There do not appear to have been Hurrells in Barnstaple between Sept 1837 and 1862.
I am really at a loss to know what to do next, or where to look.
Any ideas?
cheers,
Barb
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TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
O'SHEA Co Cork Ireland > Oz:
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HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
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Hello Barb
You've just said good morning - of course, it's past mid-night here and I'm just off to bed !
Iworked on this this after noon - I have the same marriage you have - John Richard Clement Hurrell m. q3 1862 Barnstaple. He wasn't in the pacific in 1861- Pacific was the name of his boat. It was a coastal vessell, probably between Exmouth (where he was given his census papers) and Barnstaple.
Also, John R J was born in Brixham - the image is clear enough if you know the area, mistranscribed as Busham. Also, in 1861 he was a widower, you may have noticed.
I can't find him in 1871, 1881 - and I only think he married Martha Parkins, therefore, because I can't find them together. Your Eva Martha - who I hadn't connected ! - suggests it might be the case. Did you get the marriage cert ?
The only viable option I have managed to come up with so far is that Charles was a Parkins, but I can't get that together properly at the moment either! The fact that they do not any of them seem to be on a census suggests either that they ALL went to Australia, or that they were on the boat - it was quite usual for families to travel with the master. Or maybe they were on the boat and then all went to Australia.
Charles would have been quite young if he went in 1878 by himself ?
Anyway Barbara - I really must turn in - I'll come back to this in the morning - refreshed and with clearer eyes - and have another go.
Meanwhile, if you come up with any other ideas - just post them here and I'll pick them up tomorrow.
We'll get him somehow!
Mary
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Hi Barb,
I've just found this on the 1871 Census:
28 (?) Grafton Road, Kentish Town:
Edmund Horell, head, m 28 Painter & decorator, b Teignnouth, Devon
Florence Horell w. m 29 b London, Middlesex (?)
Charles Horell nephew 9 scholar, b Devonshire
This could be him
Steve
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Hi Steve,
WOW!!!! how did you find that?? Where is Kentish Town? Do you happen to have access to the 81 census to seeif they are there, minus Charles? This is the most hopeful I've been for ages with regards to Tom Hurrell - he has been just so elusive prior to arriving in Oz. (He is my ggrandfather.) The fact that his uncle was a painter and decorator is such a bonus!!!
I have been following up on Mary's post earlier, and John Richard Clements, (son of Henry Hurrell and Elizabeth Clements), b 19/12/1827 christened 6/1/1828 at Brixton, Devon. married in Totness Sept 1/4 1849.
It appears that twins, John Richard Clements Hurrell jr and Annie Hurrell, were born to JRC Hurrell sr and his 1st wife in Dec 1/4 1860, with JRC jr dying in Mar 1/4 1861. As Mary pointed out, he was a widower in 1861, so it is feasible that she died in childbirth or in the postnatal period.
He then married Martha Parkin in Barnstaple, in Sept 1/4 1862. Then the other two are born in Barnstaple after that. Also perhaps Charles was their first child but sent to live with the rellies??? Perhaps he was born before they got married, or just after? All just conjecture I know, but still quite plausible, and the only possible explanation i can think of at the moment.
But if JRC Hurrell sr was a seaman, it is feasible that his wife may have difficulty coping with the children while he was away. Very interesting!!!
Any further ideas? If i could find out who his parents actually were, i would order his birth certificate. Can't afford to get certificates unless there's a pretty high likelihood of them being the right ones, even though British certificates are very much cheaper than ours even with the exchange rate.
Thanks for all your help.
cheers from a very hot, (38 degrees celsius), dry Oz.
Barb
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Mum44
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I don't want to throw cold water (although with your heat wave ? ) but Edmund came from Teignmouth, the name is Horrell back to 1851 at least, and there was a Charles Daniel Horrell registered Newton Abbott Q4. 1861.
Newton Abbot is the reg. district for teignmouth, which is on the south coast of Devon.
Careful you don't take him because he's the right age and his uncle is a decorator - I don't think this is the one. Chas D. Horrell b. 1862 Teignmouth is still in London in 1881, lodging in Bow and working as a telegrapher.
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Hi Barb
Glad to hear you've got good weather - you couldn't lend us a few degrees could you?
I've only done a quick check of the Census - I can't find your Charles (Thomas), but Edmund is there in 1891 & 1851 - with his family in Teignmouth. I've also found a birth - Edmund Harry Horrell, Jun q 1841, Newton Abbot district.
I guess the Charles of 1871 is the son of one of Edmund's brothers - I can see no obvious link with the John R C Hurrell in Mary's post. They are all in the same general area however.
Kentish town is in the St Pancras area of London - in 1891 Edmund was in Paddington, a "House Decorator". I'll keep looking for you, and if I get the chance, I'll pop into the North Devon RO at lunchtime to check on baptisms (I live in Barnstaple), although I'm not sure their records cover the early 1860s
Steve
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Hi Steve and Mary,
You are both gems, and Steve your offer is very much appreciated, thank you, thank you. (Do not make a special trip though!!)
I tend to think that you are right about the Charles living with his uncle not being mine, which is a bit sad. You are right about the cold water though- boy could we use LOTS of it!!
I did find an Edmund Henry Horrell who married a Florence Edith Todd in Kensington in Dec 1/4 1900, which seems a bit late to be the same ones that you found in the 1871 census Steve, but couldn't find any other Edmund and Florence's. Maybe they just married much later, and that would fit with the fact that he was in the London area in 1891 census working as a decorator. A moot point if they have nothing to do with my Charles.
I have managed to follow the John Richard Clements Hurrell lot back though, before getting your last couple of posts, and it appears they moved from Brixham (Thanks for clarifying that Mary) to Totness where he married for the first time and the twins were born, then Barnstaple where he married Martha and their kids were born.
John Richard Clement Hurrell's (b 1827 Devon) parents were Henry Hurrell (b 1810 Brixham,) and Elizabeth Clements, and it looks like John also had had an older brother, Henry Clements Hurrell who was born in 1822 in Brixham, and died in 1838 in Totness. (Henry (1810) was the son of John and Grace - it appears that Grace died in Totness in 1852) It looks like Henry (1810) may also have had a brother named John Hurrell who married an Anne Norman on 7/6/1831 in Brixham though not sure if they actually are brothers.
At the moment, it still seems to me that this lot are the most likely, from what i have been able to find, but i also think you may be on the right track Mary with the suggestion that he may have been Martha's child and therefore a Parkin, not a Hurrell, to start with. At least its another avenue.
I will have a look in a minute and see if there is any reference in the shipping lists, to any Charles Thomas Parkin arriving in Oz around the time he is believed to have come out here.
Looking forward to hearing about anything further either of you may find. Thank you both so much.
cheers,
Barb
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TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
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Hi Barb -
regarding tracking JRC - remember he was a mariner, so possibly lived on the boat. All those places (Brixham, Totnes, Barnstaple) were ports in those days and he probably met his wives while docked - the old saying about a girl in every port Although to be fair, he did marry them!
The fact that they vanish from 1871 onwards suggests they went to sea.
Still looking!
Mary
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Hi Barb & Mary
I've been to NDRO but no joy I'm afraid. There are no likely Horell/Hurrell variants around - several Parkin families (including various single women in the workhouse having children) but no Martha. This was the nearest-
20 June 1864. Thomas & Louisa, s & d of Mary Parkin, singlewoman, in Workhouse.
I checked St Peters, St Mary Magdalene & Holy Trinity - no nonconformist registers available for the period.
I was short of time, so didn't check the marriage register, but will try that later - I didn't see the baptism of Eva in 1865 - but I'll check again. I agree now with Mary that this seems to be the right family - really strange that no Registration can be found - although I see a Thomas Charles Parkin registered in Tavistock in March q 1861
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Hi Barb
I've just noticed another birth registration that might be of interest - "Male" Parkin, Dec q 1862
Steve
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