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Michael Dixon
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On C1851 John's birth place was recorded as Rosebrough.
Today Rosebrough lies a few yards west of the A1 road, south of Belford. Adjacent on the east side of the A1 is Newstead.
In "ancient parish" times Rosebrough lay within the "township" of Newstead, within the Parish of Bamburgh.
On the Northumberland Communities web site (communities.northumberland.gov.uk), within the section for Belford, in the "Plans", the Fry's Map of 1820 shows Rosebrough and Newstead. And then at the very bottom of the map there lurks the word "Clattering" and maybe the hint of another word beneath it.
Other maps show "Clatteringhouses" (one word) to be in this area.
Christine ... was the burial at some parish church graveyard... with Clattering Causey recorded as the last abode of the deceased ?
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Names.
Gallagher ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo Ireland.
Ontario, Canada,
Lowell, Ma, USA
Co Northumberland, Co Durham, England.
Dixon
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle
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Hi Michael
I have been helping Christine with her research. The information came from a fiche that I found stating deaths in Northumbria between 1813 and 1837.
I have now been able to read it properly. It is Clattering Causey. Down the left side beside the date it says LUC but not sure what that means. There are no headings.
I also see the age is 92 which rules out the person we thought it might be but it would still be interesting to pin down where Clattering Causey is.
When I googled it it came up with a list of names that indicated that there was a Clattering Causeway at Newstead, Bamburgh, which will be the one you found. Through time the name maybe changed.
Thanks for your time
Betty
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Betty,
I think LUC is abbreviation for LUCKER.
Lucker, a small community lay within the widespread parish of Bamburgh.
To save folk's shoe leather, a chapel was buit in Lucker, so then Lucker became a Chapelry under the sway of Bamburgh the mother parish.
Newstead and I suppose C Causey, lay within the bounds of the Chapelry of Lucker. And I think that modern transcribers use three-letter abbreviations for parishes/chapelries.
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Names.
Gallagher ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo Ireland.
Ontario, Canada,
Lowell, Ma, USA
Co Northumberland, Co Durham, England.
Dixon
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle
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Thanks Michael for that bit of information. I might get back to you to ask what the other abreviations are but I need to look at the fiche again as I did not take a note of them. A lot of the place names I have heard of but some not.
I am curious as to where you got the name John from. It is the right name but he died in 1832. Does C1851 mean census or circa?
Thanks for your time.
Betty
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Betty,
I must be psychic.... or crazy...??
Only now do I realise that no name was mentioned in the query of an 1832 burial. So how and why did I get onto a John who was alive on later censuses ?...
I think I took the clue from Heywood who spotted Clattering Causey recorded as birth places on censuses. I followed that route, then focused on a Rogerson on Census !861. I tracked him back and forward to see what other birth places were recorded for him on other censuses... and got Rosebrough from 1851 Census. Sound fairly logical ? - yes ?.... But this was for James Mitchell Rogerson... so the reason why I wrote John instead of James escapes me. I will have to get out more ?
I sometimes access a fiche " Northumberland Marriages 1813-1837 (or 1839 ? )..... One (or two)early "pages" on the fiche, show the abbreviation index... e.g. NSJ = Newcastle, St John's.
The "C" in my "C1851" is abbrev. for Census. I use small "c" for circa, but you weren't to know that !
For places in Northumberland, the ref Heywood supplied is very useful for ascertaining in which Township (an unfortunate term as this type of parochial Township has nothing to do with towns) , within which "ancient" Parish does a comunnity lie.
The GenUKI pages within Northumberland>Parishes>Nearby Places is also useful.
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Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo Ireland.
Ontario, Canada,
Lowell, Ma, USA
Co Northumberland, Co Durham, England.
Dixon
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle
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Hi Michael
This is getting spooky. I said exactly the same thing to Christine that you must be psychic.
If you can access a fiche for marriages Christine might be back in touch.
Meantime thanks for your input.
Betty
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Quotes from a book " Goodwife Hot and others, - Northumberland's Past as shown in it's Place Names" by Godfrey Watson, published 1970.
The author is discussing all sorts of roads......
" .........If it proved absolutely necessary to cross marsh or even clay land, the road might be built up on a Causeway, producing name like Corse Hall, (still known in 1769 as Causeway Houses) and Causey Park................"
" Secondly there were the old Paved Roads, either left by Romans or "made-up" with stone. Stannington was originally Stan-weg-tun",.. the "Homestead by the Stone (or paved) Way".... While CLATTERING HOUSES, near Ellingham, took it's name from the sound that horses' hooves made on a paved road.
That this name was in no way abnormal is borne out by a reference in 1580 to the street called the "Clatterandway", near Whittingham.
In 1702 the same road was known as the CLATTERING CAUSEWAY. "
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Names.
Gallagher ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo Ireland.
Ontario, Canada,
Lowell, Ma, USA
Co Northumberland, Co Durham, England.
Dixon
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle
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Thanks Michael for the information about names of roads etc.
I have ancestors from Stannnington in Yorkshire. I never knew how it got its name.
It is interesting to see how roads and places got their names and how the names gradually changed through time. Why was there need to change. The old names are much more interesting!!.
Thanks again.
Betty
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