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lildav
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Hi everyone, I am having a problem finding any of my Selwyn ancestors. I have a Rebecca Selwyn married to a James Hobbs (my GGGrandad) in the parish of Avening on 27th April 1840. (I have the cert) Her father is down as James Selwyn, labourer. Rebecca died in Westhoughton Lancashire on 15/08/1888 age 71 making her birth year c 1819. I can find no trace of her, her father, mother or any siblings before this date of 1840. She & James had 11 children:-
Hannah 1842
John 1843
Joseph 1845
Sarah 1850
Betsy 1850
Elizabeth 1851
Mary 1854
Charles 1856
Thomas 1857
William 1860
Frederick 1861 (my GGrandad)
they were all born in Gloucestershire and the names Nagshead, Bagpath and Avening are all mentioned in the Hobbs family. Between 1871 and 1881 many of the Hobbs relations came up to Lancashire & settled in Westhoughton, Bolton. Can anyone shed any light on this for me? I would be eternally grateful, Lilian
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Mum44
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Hello Lilian
I'm not sure whether this is going to take you forward, but it seems from the censuses that Rebecca was born in Wiltshire.
You don't mention whether you have the census information ?
If not, shall I give you some details?
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush. Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham. Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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Valda
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Have you cross checked Rebecca's surname on the marriage certificate with information on one of her children's birth certificates to see if the Selwyn surname is confirmed by it?
There are no Selwyns in the Hankerton Wiltshire parish registers showing on the British Vital Records Index (BVRI). There are Selbys.
SELBY, Rebecca
Christening Date:21 Dec 1817 Hankerton, Wiltshire
Father:James SELBY
Mother:Ann
1861, 1871 and 1881 censuses Rebecca Hobbs gives her age as 44, 54 and 64
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Valda
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lildav
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Good morning Mumm44 & Valda. I would be pleased with any info you can give me wherever it is from. The name on the wedding cert is definitely Selwyn for her and her father. I only have one childs birth cert, Frederick my GGrandad, and his Mother on that is down as Silbrey but I have had a look for that name and come up with nothing. After just looking at the 1871 census it says that Rebecca was born in Wiltshire. It seems that Selby is the way to go. I will have a good look later. I have to go out now for a little while. Thank you SO much, you have opened an avenue for me where I thought I might be stuck. You are both brill......... Will get back when I have got my head round it later. Thank you, Thank you, Lilian
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ChasH
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Lilian,
Hi everyone, I am having a problem finding any of my Selwyn ancestors. I have a Rebecca Selwyn married to a James Hobbs (my GGGrandad) in the parish of Avening on 27th April 1840. (I have the cert)
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As you do not give his father's name, does that mean you want nothing about James Hobbs? I have lots of stuff from Avening.
Regards
Chas
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Beverstone: DAVIES, HIGGS, PERROT.
Bisley: DAVIS, GARDINER, GRIME, JEFFERIES, PEACEY, FRANKLIN, COOK. BROWN.
Chipping Sodbury: HARDING.
Colerne: GOLDEN.
Gt Badminton: DAVIES.
Horsley: ADAMS, COOK, GAZARD, HILL, PRIDE, TEAKLE.
Kings Stanley: BISHOP, PINEGAR.
Minchinhampton, MASON
N Nibley: SHATFORD, WAYMAN, WOODWARD.
Stinchcombe: HAZEL, WAYMAN.
Stonehouse: GABB, GREGORY.
Wotton-U-Edge: PAYNE, SPENCER, RICE.
N. Wraxall: BLAKE.
Mostly 18th & 19th C's
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Mum44
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Good morning Lilian
Do you have access to all censuses ? If not I'm happy to post some details for you.
Meanwhile - here's how I got to Hankerton.
1881 census - Rachel says b. Hankerton, Wilts.
1871 census - Rachel says b. Hamerton, Wilts
1861 census - Rachel says b. Ankeston, Glos
1851 census - rachel says b. Ankeston, Glos.
I googled Ankeston, Hamerton and Hankerton and Hankerton, Wilts was the only match. Hankeston is about 5 miles as the crow flies from Avening.
However, as Valda says, there are no Selwyns living there on any census and I couldn't find any on any census who said they were born there either.
There are a few Selbys tho. Living there and born there. I wonder whether it might be an idea to get another of the birth certificates - since your Fredericks is only a partial match? Does Rachel sign or make her mark? Perhaps she couldn't read and write and the registrar wrote what he thought ?
Meanwhile - I'll keep looking any see what comes up
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush. Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham. Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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ChasH
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Lilian,
In my records (hand written) I have some data from Painswick N.C. church and in them for 1823 is:-
"Thos Son of William & Rebecca Selwyn of Chalford was born March 9th 1823 & baptized Aug 21st following by me
Rob Meek
Thos may not be a sibling of of your Rebecca, so Chalford & Painswick gives you hope plus somewhere to occupy your time 
Regards
Chas
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Beverstone: DAVIES, HIGGS, PERROT.
Bisley: DAVIS, GARDINER, GRIME, JEFFERIES, PEACEY, FRANKLIN, COOK. BROWN.
Chipping Sodbury: HARDING.
Colerne: GOLDEN.
Gt Badminton: DAVIES.
Horsley: ADAMS, COOK, GAZARD, HILL, PRIDE, TEAKLE.
Kings Stanley: BISHOP, PINEGAR.
Minchinhampton, MASON
N Nibley: SHATFORD, WAYMAN, WOODWARD.
Stinchcombe: HAZEL, WAYMAN.
Stonehouse: GABB, GREGORY.
Wotton-U-Edge: PAYNE, SPENCER, RICE.
N. Wraxall: BLAKE.
Mostly 18th & 19th C's
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CatOne
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This much be James and Ann then?
1841 HO107/1181/30 Folio 5 Page 2
Poole Keynes, Wilts
James Selby 50 Ag Lab
Ann 50
Charles 15
Joseph 15
Eliza 12
Harriet 10
James 5
All born in county
1851 HO107/1968 Folio 234 Page 6
Poole Keynes, Wilts
James Selby 62 Day Labourer Hankerton
Ann 61 Henton .....some.. norton Wiltshire
Joseph 26 Farm Labourer Poole Keynes
Eliza 22 Servant Poole Keynes
Sophia granddau 3wks Poole Keynes
Catherine 
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire Shaw, Marland - Lancashire Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland Richards - Neath Swansea Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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Mum44
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Hi Catherine - think so - only slight hitch here is we don't have an absolute on it being Selby rather than Selwyn!
1840 marriages are typed up on findmypast, and that is clearly Selwyn; really need to see the original of the marriage to be a bit sure, don't you think?
However, gut feeling is yes, it should be Selby - which fits better with the name on Frederick's birth certificate, and explains why there are no Selwyns in Hankerton!
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush. Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham. Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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CatOne
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Yes name needs confirming somehow, I wonder if the other birth certs would show name as Selby/variation of, rather than Selwyn 
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire Shaw, Marland - Lancashire Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland Richards - Neath Swansea Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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Mum44
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I've suggested that, cat - depends how rich Lilian feels, I guess!
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush. Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham. Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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ChasH
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Lilian - I noticed my error too late but it's OK now but they might be cousins perhaps.
Your main problem is not so much a brick wall as a yawning chasm. If you check the LDS library of films you'll find the most of the films of C of E records end at 1812 yet many N.C. records' films go to 1837. Records for between those dates are to be found in the County record office I expect although somebody might have transcribed them.
You did not mention where the marriage was carried out so bear in mind that it might indicate their religeous persuasion and reduce the possible church records you need to search between 1812 and something like 1820.
Of course, there may be places near Avening which have had their records filmed but the data not extracted, so that also needs considering. Parloc - Google for the free parish locator prog. - and the procedure at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/FindingBatchNos.html can be used in combination to find LDS filming information at nearby parishes.
Regards
Chas
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Beverstone: DAVIES, HIGGS, PERROT.
Bisley: DAVIS, GARDINER, GRIME, JEFFERIES, PEACEY, FRANKLIN, COOK. BROWN.
Chipping Sodbury: HARDING.
Colerne: GOLDEN.
Gt Badminton: DAVIES.
Horsley: ADAMS, COOK, GAZARD, HILL, PRIDE, TEAKLE.
Kings Stanley: BISHOP, PINEGAR.
Minchinhampton, MASON
N Nibley: SHATFORD, WAYMAN, WOODWARD.
Stinchcombe: HAZEL, WAYMAN.
Stonehouse: GABB, GREGORY.
Wotton-U-Edge: PAYNE, SPENCER, RICE.
N. Wraxall: BLAKE.
Mostly 18th & 19th C's
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lildav
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Hello everyone. I posted a message with the certificates on earlier but it does not seem to have worked. I will send the message again. Bear with me. Lilian
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