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Grave Search - Northchurch
« on: Thursday 06 March 08 10:42 GMT (UK) »

Im looking for someone who lives in the area of Northcurch Berkhamsted Herts who wouldnt mind looking for a grave for me , ive rang several numbers this past week and having no joy at all , im living  a few hours away so it isant as easy for me to come and look and wondered if someone wouldnt mind helping me .  Huh


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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 March 08 12:28 GMT (UK) »

Hi Chelle

Would you give us a few more details please in case someone is able to help.  Is the grave in the churchyard of St Mary's Northchurch?  When was the burial and what is the name of the deceased please?

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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 06 March 08 13:19 GMT (UK) »

Grave i am looking for is Elizabeth Agnus Ethel Rance died 26 / 12 / 1933 ,she is laid to rest at the graveyard off south bank road  in northcurch .



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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 06 March 08 14:04 GMT (UK) »

This isn't the church then.  It must be a municipal cemetery.  For anyone able to help, here is the relevant map.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/02w5/

Just in case anyone can manage a photo, I will move this back to the GENERAL board as imaging is disabled on the LOOKUP REQUESTS board.

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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 March 08 20:18 GMT (UK) »

Rick

No it isant a graveyard within the grounds of the church , im sorry i dont really understand how i was suppose to post something like this.


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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 March 08 14:08 GMT (UK) »

Please don't worry about it Chelle! Smiley

The only problem that I can see is that Council run cemeteries tend to be on the large side.  If this is the case with Northchurch cemetery in South Bank Road, it might not be feasible for someone to search for you without a plot number.  Have you managed for find a plot number for Elizabeth RANCE?

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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 08 March 08 18:31 GMT (UK) »

Hi Rick ,

Unfortunately Ive been having the worse luck ever trying to do this ,Ive been to the church`s website and got the phone numbers from there and for over a week now Ive had no joy at all , the land line just rings and the mobile is always off. I have even rang the main church in Berkhamsted , they put me onto the Library Archivists who then told me that they only hold records up to the mid 1800`s and to contact the church, who doesn't as i say happen to be answering  Cry

I'm beginning to wonder if i should just give up anyway after the lady at the Library told me they do grave clearance`s so i may never know where my Gran is .

Thankyou for you help Rick i do appreciate it .

Chelle
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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 09 March 08 13:22 GMT (UK) »

I live very close to Northchurch.

I am completely unaware of any graveyard near South Bank Road, although that's not to say there isn't one. It's not a road one would normally have cause to go dpwn.

I'm fact I'm not so far aware of any graveyard in Northchurch not associated with a church or chapel.

It was my (perhaps wromg) assumption that people from Northchurch laid to rest in a cemetary would be in one of the Berkhamsted ones. I certainly think that would be true now.

I'm not sure when I'll be able to take a look, but I'll try to soon.
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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 09 March 08 13:30 GMT (UK) »

A further thought or two....

It's not on the list of cemeteries managed by Dacorum Borough Council, which I think confirms my view that Northchurch deaths would now be buried at Berkhamsted. (But the current Berkhamsted Cemetary is modern, and I don't know the 1930s situation).

If it's in the road you say, it's on the other side of the canal from Northchurch Parish Church, so clearly not associated to the church.  I can't see how contacting them will help, as they are unlikely to hold burial records for a graveyard that's not theirs.

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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 09 March 08 14:33 GMT (UK) »

My son used more intelligence than me, (not unusual  Wink)

If you look at Google Earth, (or similar), there is clearly quite a large cemetery beside South Bank Road.

A lot of it seems to be masked by very high trees, which is why I've driven past it many a time, not knowing it's there.

There appear to be enough graves that it could take a while to find a particular one.  If I can get down there, do you have any idea where the one you are after is located, please ?
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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 09 March 08 20:36 GMT (UK) »

Hi Stefan,

After reading your replies you seem to of left me a bit confused , I grew up in Nortchurch as did my father and all his family and ever since i was a young girl my dad had told me that his mother had died when he was a young age and this graveyard off South Bank Road is where his mother was laid to rest , I was always on the understanding from my father that this graveyard was part of St Marys Northchurch.
 
I rang St Peters Church during last week and the lady there also told me that this yard was part of St Marys Church and i would need to contact them as they would hold the records for that graveyard, this as ive said in my previous postings has proven to be hard as there is no answer from either mobile , landline and ive also sent an email that returned to me by postmaster .

Where near Northcurch do you live ?

Regards Chelle
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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #11 on: Monday 10 March 08 14:38 GMT (UK) »

Hi Stefan ,


I have phoned Dacorum County Council and they have told me that the cemetery off South Bank Rd definitely isn't council run , Dacorum only hold four cemeteries and Northchurch is not one of them , just thought id let you know  Smiley


So my quest continues ,


Chelle
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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #12 on: Monday 10 March 08 14:49 GMT (UK) »

I was always on the understanding from my father that this graveyard was part of St Marys Northchurch.
 
I rang St Peters Church during last week and the lady there also told me that this yard was part of St Marys Church and i would need to contact them as they would hold the records for that graveyard,
OK 'Chelle - I stand corrected. I'm sure your information must be good.

I guess I got side-tracked by comments before I posted that it must be a municipal cemetery, rather than a church graveyard.

It sounds like St Mary's, Northchurch must have run out of space around the church, and hence used a plot further up the hill, (perhaps they still do ?).  This is all education to me - I had no idea whatsoever that there are graves there.

Which is it you want, please ? - someone to look for a marked grave, or somebody to get in touch with St Mary's for details of the burial.

I'm happy to try and look for the grave, (but will wait for better weather than today!), but do you have any idea of location within what looks like quite a large area, please ?

I'm not sure I can help much with contact with the church, if they don't respond, though.

I assume you have seen this "Contact Us" page ?

http://www.stmarysnorthchurch.com/contactUs.asp

It lists more than one phone number, and on the face of it also links to more than 1 e-mail address, but it sounds like you have tried quite hard already.

Stef.
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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #13 on: Monday 10 March 08 14:54 GMT (UK) »

I have phoned Dacorum County Council and they have told me that the cemetery off South Bank Rd definitely isn't council run , Dacorum only hold four cemeteries and Northchurch is not one of them , just thought id let you know  Smiley
Yes, I realised already it wouldn't be a current council managed one, but wrongly thought it might be an old one.

You have convinced me it belongs to the church, even though the canal and quite a lot of housing separate the two.

I am curious enough to go up there, (in better weather!), but an idea as to where the grave might be would help.
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Re: Grave Search - Northchurch
« Reply #14 on: Monday 10 March 08 15:39 GMT (UK) »

Hi Stefan ,

Thanks for getting back to me , i thought i may of scared you off  Embarrassed .    Yes i think well gather that long ago with the main church yard possibly filled that the space they had and  bought  that ground up in South Bank Rd for use of burials. I'm sorry i really couldn't tell you where abouts she is , i used to look years ago when i lived there but some of the stones were unreadable and at the time i wasn't into family research so never investigated further into finding the grave .

As to the area looking quite big , it really isn't all that big , and the trees don't hide that many graves either, but location well I'm afraid i don't know which is why Ive been trying to contact the church .

Thankyou so much for your offer to go up there but i suppose it will be like finding a needle in a hay stack wont it unless you have patience to look. I wish i could be of more help to you i feel so bad that Ive come up with this idea that i have no answers to  Cry  .

So yes your offer of looking for the grave is most grateful but i think to help you i need to get in contact with the minister.

Can i contact you via email to let you know how things are going ?

Whereabouts in Northchurch are you Stefan I'm originally from Dudswell by the canal.


Warmest Thanks Chelle
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