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StevenG
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Yes, the parish registers show an Elizabeth Mayes baptised in Cople on May 19th 1793. They also show the burial of an Elizabeth Mayes on August 12th 1806.
There is nothing to link the baptism to the burial. However, this was the only Mayes family in Cople, so I think it likely that they were the same person.
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bedfordshire boy
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How do you know John and Sarah were twins? Other than they were baptised on the same day. I've seen many double baptisms where one, or both, are late baptisms. The previous child baptised to this couple in Cople was in 1787 - both John and Sarah could have been late baptisms in 1796. There's no genetic predisposition for identical twins, whereas there can be for fraternal twins - but only via the female side, which rules it out in this case.
As with Elizabeth Mays, there's nothing in Cople parish register to confirm that the Sarah Armstrong who was buried in 1808 is the Sarah baptised in 1796, although she probably was.
There's a burial in Eaton Socon of John Armstrong age 55 on 17 Sept 1846, which fits with Elizabeth being a widow in 1851. There's no baptism of a John Armstrong in Eaton Socon c1791 so it could be the 1796 John if he was baptised late.
You need to check Eaton Socon parish register to see if a parish of residence is shown on the 1828 marriage. As they were both a bit older than usual for a first marriage it's possible that either or both could have been a widow(er). There's a baptism on the IGI in 1820 in Eaton Socon of Emily Mays, daughter of Elizabeth Mays.
How sure are you that the two Armstrongs who married the Topham sisters in Eaton Socon were from Wilstead? It looks to me as though Samuel was from Little Stukeley Hunts, although his father, George, was born in Wilstead. And George who married Elizabeth appears to have been born in Goldington.
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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wdurham
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I was just about to post the same marriage, bob!
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Again, purely circumstantial, but possible.
The 1841 entry for John and Elizabeth does not, sadly, show any older children from the putative first marriage. Mary, Susan, Elizabeth, Sarah and Fanny range from 12 to 2 years old, and are almost certainly children of the second marriage (if indeed it was such!). Interestingly, Sarah and Fanny ARE twins.
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Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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seahall
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Hi All
You will information on this web site for the family when in Eaton Socon.
It shows all information on a marriage entry by clicking details.
http://www.tsgcs.co.uk/escan/marriages.asp
Sandy
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wdurham
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Many thanks, seahall - a great site!
It shows that John Armstrong WAS a widow when he married Elizabeth Mayes, but she was a spinster. One witness is listed: Richard Emery.
Witnesses when he married Charlotte (if it WAS him, which looks increasingly likely) were George Gray and Jackson Drew.
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Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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bedfordshire boy
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I can't see any provision on the Eaton Socon site for a parish of residence in a marriage entry. Whilst it appears John may have stayed in Eaton Socon after his first marriage, so would have appeared as otp on his marriage to Elizabeth, it would be worthwhile checking the 1818 marriage in the Eaton Socon microfilm to see if a different parish is mentioned for him
Richard Emery was a witness at a number of marriages so was probably an official, so I wouldn't necessarily read too much into his involvement
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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castlebob
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Thanks, David,
I've e-mailed Sue at Beds Records to check for any Cople origin refs for John. Also, I've had contact with a great grand daughter of Fanny Elizabeth Armstrong b1859 in E S.
She has no further info on earlier Armstrongs, but has supplied names of the family via John b 1863. They are in Hunthorpe, Lincs, E. Retford, Notts & several Lincs villages.
I'll side-step the Emery part!!
Cheers,
Bob
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Armstrongs of Bedfordshire, England & Canonbie ,Scotland
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wdurham
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Good point about Richard Emery, David - though I did check him out in a couple of census returns to make sure he wasn't an "official" official. As he's listed as an Ag Lab, he wasn't formally linked to the church but still could have been a churchwarden, verger, etc - or as in one case in my tree, the organist!
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Willson & Pell in Faversham, Egerton, Folkestone in Kent
Cornhill in Kent, Devon and Wokingham, Berks
Cadmans & Kings in Isleham, Cambs
Swan, Gregory, Smith & Mingay in the Burrough Green/Westley area of Cambs
Armstrong & Chandler in Bedford
Abbott/Abbit in Witham, Essex
Davies/Davis in Islington & Hackney
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