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brynhyfryd
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 10 May 08 19:46 UTC (UK) »
Hi

I think I may have the Evans family !

In 1851, living at Oerle, Trefeglwys
William Evans (46?) Head, Farmer, b. Trefeglwys
Margaret Evans (38), Wife,  b. Llanwnog
Thomas (15), John (14), Margaret (12), Elizabeth (10), Jane (9), Mary (4) & Sarah (1) - all children born in Trefeglwys

In 1861, still at Oerle, Trefeglwys
Margaret Evans (48), Head, Widow, Farmer, b. Trefeglwys ?
Thomas Evans (25), Elizabeth (20), Jane (19), Sarah (11) AND
**Mary Gethin Evans (1), granddaughter, b. Trefeglwys.

Birth: Mary Gethin Evans Qtr Sep 1859 Newtown 11b/202

So, it appears that Richard Gethin (or some other Gethin?) and Margaret Evans had started their family some time before they got married in 1868.

And in 1871, still at Oerle
Margaret Evans (58) Widow, b. Llanwnog
Sarah Hamer (21) Daughter
David Hamer (23) Son-in-law, Farm Servant, b. Trefeglwys
**Mary G. Evans (11) Granddaughter
William H. Evans (1) Grandson - Not sure who are parents of this boy
**Richard Gethin (6) Grandson


As previously mentioned, the birth/marriage certs. need to be ordered to clarify and verify.

Stan
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 11 May 08 02:34 UTC (UK) »
Gday Stan & Silvery,
Thanks so much for your interest in helping me out  Smiley
I actually have the Gethin & Tudor info as far back as Richard Gethin (1803-1880) and John Tudor (1725-?) courtesy of a lady called Trish Brooks.  We discovered that my husband's relatives still occupy the original Gethin farmhouse!  I have that  Hannah Reynolds married John Tudor and a Bridget (no surname) married the elder John Tudor.  MY husband's family are from the John Tudor Gethin line.
you've prompted me to check out the freebmd website.  I have only been using the freereg site and was unable to source a lot of welsh info!
Many thanks again,

Meg, Western Australia
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 11 May 08 02:46 UTC (UK) »
Hi Stan,
have just had a think about the Evans info you found for me.
the young Richard gethin (grandson in the 1871 census) sounds like the right one from the Gethin info I have (born 1865)....but with the Mary Gethin Evans- were female children given both parents surnames?  If Mary was a daughter of Richard Gethin and Margaret Evans, would not her surname be Gethin rather than Evans?  She may be a different grandchild although I do have a Mary Gethin born in 1860 which is the right age for the 1861 census.

kind regards

meg
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brynhyfryd
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 11 May 08 09:23 UTC (UK) »
Hi Meg

It appears that Mary Gethin Evans & Richard Gethin were both illegitimate, since Richard Gethin/Margaret Evans marriage did not take place until 1868.
However, Mary's father may just have been another Gethin or of some other name - though it looks highly likely that they are the parents.

I will obtain a birth cert. for Mary Gethin Evans  - I am away for a week and I will do this on my return.

I do have the same information as you regarding the Tudors and may well have got this from the same source as you (Brooks).

My interest is through a brother of Richard Gethin(1830), Thomas (b.1839) whose second wife was a Mary Hutson, which is my main line of research.
A rather tenuous link, but I do tend to go off at a tangent sometimes !

Best wishes
Stan
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #34 on: Friday 23 May 08 18:57 UTC (UK) »
Hi Meg

Further to my last post, I have now received the Birth Cert. of Mary Gethin Evans.  As predicted, illegitimate, with no father's name recorded.
Details: Mary Gethin Evans born 26th July 1859 at Oerle, Trefeglwys. Mother's name - Margaret Evans, who is also given as the informant. Registered 3rd Aug 1859.

So, we do not have proof that Richard Gethin was the father of Mary Gethin Evans or Richard Gethin (b. ca 1865), both seen with their widowed grandmother at Oerle in 1871 census. But it is highly likely ! Their marriage certs may be more enlightening.

Regards
Stan
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 01 June 08 03:03 UTC (UK) »
Gday Stan,
thankyou so much for helping with my Gethin enquiry.
I'm grateful that you have spent the time to confirm data for me.
it's all very interesting :-)
kind regards, Meg
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 04 February 09 08:42 UTC (UK) »
g'day meg,
                  We are also researching the Gethin family Caersws Wales.In our family we also have a Mathew Henry Gethin-born 1909-married Alice Winifred Neville.his parents are John Tudor Gethin & Eizabeth Margeret Ingram they also had 8 more sons & 1 daughter.One of those sons is called John William Gethin im a descent from him.I received your email & answered it.(did you receive it) Also Mathew & 6 off his brothers came to Australia & had farms a few hours from Perth W.A.  Is this the same Mathew as your's........
                                             regards Yvonne.
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 04 February 09 14:03 UTC (UK) »
Hi Yvonne,
this does indeed sound like the same Matthew Gethin.
my husband is his grandson and we are still farming the farm Matthew received for WWII service in 1947.
maybe we can chat off site- i didn't get the email you speak of...could you try sending it again?
kind regards, Meg
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #38 on: Friday 06 February 09 09:30 UTC (UK) »
g'day meg,
                    Yes we are the same family-we will be in touch really soon.
                                                                                                    regards yvonne.........
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Lloydy
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 12 May 09 18:16 UTC (UK) »

Can I butt in here too?!!!!

I have just discovered that one of my GGG Grandmothers was a Catherine Gethin born approx 1813, not sure where yet.  She married a Joseph Richards from Tregynon, and I am descended from one of their daughters, Elizabeth Richards.

Stan.....
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If Meg needs any further details, I have the Richard Gethin/Mary Tudor family with 12 children in all from Richard (1830) through to Sarah Ann (1852). Richard Gethin/Margaret Evans had 8 children from Mary (1860) to Evan (1879), with John Tudor Gethin (1877) being the second youngest.
....Can you check and see if there is a Catherine in the family details that you have please?

Also the Joseph Richards that I mentioned above, was the son of John Richard and Martha Tudor.  Do you have any record of Martha?

Many thanks, and my apologies for jumping into this thread!!!!

Jan
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Challinor/Challenor - Shocklach, Cheshire  
Betton - Worthen, Shropshire 
Trow - emigrated from Wales to New Zealand

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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 21:39 UTC (UK) »
I'm just bumping this thread back to the top Grin


Just wondered if anyone had any info re: my previous post Wink


Many thanks
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Bennett, Challinor/Challenor, Mills, Evans, Lewis, Owen, Owens, Trow, James, Ashton, Betton/Beaton, Breese, Breeze, Crisp, Davies, Elias, Hudson, Hughes, Jenkins, Turner, Richards, Gethin, Trow, Tudor, Simon....plus tons of Jones!!! - All my Montgomeryshire lot!!
Challinor/Challenor - Shocklach, Cheshire  
Betton - Worthen, Shropshire 
Trow - emigrated from Wales to New Zealand

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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #41 on: Monday 07 September 09 15:39 UTC (UK) »
Hi Jan,

My apologies for missing your earlier post - I've been distracted by other matters of late !

I do not have your Catherine Gethin (b.1813) in my tree. Edward & Catherine Gethin did have a daughter Catherine, born 1799, but she died in 1810. They then went on to have Jane (b.ca. 1802) and Richard (b.ca.1803), who married Mary Tudor, all born in Tregynon.  Now the probability is that there were more than 3 children, quite a small family in those days, and there may well have been another Catherine born after No.1 died in 1810. Speculative, I know, but worth a proper look in the parish records of Tregynon, if you have the opportunity.

Re: Martha Tudor. Yes, there is a Martha, b. 1768 Tregynon, a sister to John Tudor (b.1765), the father of Mary Tudor (b. 1806, Llanwnog), who married Richard Gethin. i.e. Aunty Martha ! It appears that Martha married John Richards,a widower, on  31 Dec 1801. She would have been about 33 years old. Probably, the right one.
Martha & John are 2 of the 9 children (at least!) of John Tudor & Bridget (no surname). If you need any more details, please let me know (most of the information has come from a website, therefore not guaranteed).

Regards
Stan
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 12 September 09 09:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi Stan

Thank you for the information.

I think I'm going to have to venture to the NLW again and have a good search through the parish records - another job to add to my "to do" list!!!

Jan Smiley
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Challinor/Challenor - Shocklach, Cheshire  
Betton - Worthen, Shropshire 
Trow - emigrated from Wales to New Zealand

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« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 16:49 UTC (UK) »
Jan,

I gather that you have an interest in the Jerman/Jarman family. I have been researching my own Jarman family in Wales for a while and traced back to a John and Sarah Jarman/Jerman. On the records he identifies his birthplace firstly as MacHynlleth, Montgomeryshire and later as Mochra, Montgomeryshire. Sarah came from Llandinam.

Does this match any of your own research?
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Re: Matthew Henry Gethin
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 10 October 09 17:20 UTC (UK) »

Chris,

As your request is slightly off this topic Smiley I have sent your a Private Message about the Jarmans.

Regards
Jan
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Challinor/Challenor - Shocklach, Cheshire  
Betton - Worthen, Shropshire 
Trow - emigrated from Wales to New Zealand

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