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Wych
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Hi All,
I am desperately looking for information on the Sykes family of Stockport. This is what I have so far ........
John Sykes *Stockport 1791 and died 5.6.1855, buried at St Mary's Birkenhead. John married Mary (maiden name unknown) Circa. 1820. According to the 1841 Census Mary was born out of county in 1784 and she died in 1852 in Birkenhead. Although I can find record of John's burial - along with son-in-law John Alcock and daughter Mary Ann (Sykes) Alcock, there is no listing for his wife Mary (?) Sykes. My main point of interest is a baptismal record for John and a marriage record in order (if possible) to find Mary's maiden name which might also lead me to her place of birth. I would assume that they were married in Stockport as there daughter Mary Ann was Baptised at St Mary's Stockport on 4.3.1821 - at the time John's occupation was listed as 'weaver' and the family were living in Hillgate. According to the 1851 Census, there was also a son George *1828 Stockport but I have not been able to find record of his baptism or of any other children.
Living with the Sykes family in 1841 in Birkenhead were two girls, Emma and Hannah Bardsley - aged 18 and 21 years respectively - both born Chestergate, Stockport. Hannah was the daughter of Joseph and Sarah Bardsley and Emma the daughter of Samuel and Mary Bardsley. This leads me to believe that they were cousins to each other and also possibly cousins to Mary Ann Sykes. I have tried linking the families - thinking that Bardsley might possibly have been the maiden name of Mary (?) Sykes - but so far I have not had much luck as both Sykes and Bardsley appear to be very common names in Stockport.
If anyone is able to shed some light/info on this topic I would be most appreciative.
Regards,
Yvonne
Western Cape, South Africa.
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ALCOCK - LIVERPOOL, LANCS. & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
SYKES - STOCKPORT & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
QUIGGIN - ISLE OF MAN & LIVERPOOL
PORTER - LIVERPOOL, LANCS.
WYNNE - FLINTSHIRE, WALES & BIRKENHEAD, CSH.
SMITH, EVANS, OWENS, ADSHEAD, PARRY, HALL - CHESTER
PINDER - SHOREDITCH & SURROUNDING AREAS, LONDON
SMITH - ST MARTIN IN THE FIELDS, WESTMINSTER.
RADLEY/READLEY - SAINT MARYLEBONE, LONDON
SOUTH AFRICA - ALCOCK, PAPENDORF, PIENAAR, SLABBERT, BROWN(E), ALBERTYN, LIEBENBERG.
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silvery
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This site may be of use, although I believe that is is a nightmare to search. It also leaves out the first digit of the year (I think) but I have never used it myself.
http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/
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Wych
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Hi Silvery,
Thanks for your reply. I have used this site before and found it most useful but unfortunately as yet there is no coverage for Stockport.
Regards,
Yvonne
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ALCOCK - LIVERPOOL, LANCS. & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
SYKES - STOCKPORT & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
QUIGGIN - ISLE OF MAN & LIVERPOOL
PORTER - LIVERPOOL, LANCS.
WYNNE - FLINTSHIRE, WALES & BIRKENHEAD, CSH.
SMITH, EVANS, OWENS, ADSHEAD, PARRY, HALL - CHESTER
PINDER - SHOREDITCH & SURROUNDING AREAS, LONDON
SMITH - ST MARTIN IN THE FIELDS, WESTMINSTER.
RADLEY/READLEY - SAINT MARYLEBONE, LONDON
SOUTH AFRICA - ALCOCK, PAPENDORF, PIENAAR, SLABBERT, BROWN(E), ALBERTYN, LIEBENBERG.
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JDGen
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Hi Yvonne,
What is the place of birth given for Mary on the 1851 census?
Jean
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor) HRT: Gurney HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St) LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale) NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering) YKS: Scott(Clapham) |
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Hi Yvonne,
There is this marriage on my index, may be just a coincidence:
John SYKES, Shop Keeper of Macclesfield m Mary BARDSLEY, Widow of Macclesfield 11 Jan 1837 at Prestbury
Jean
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor) HRT: Gurney HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St) LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale) NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering) YKS: Scott(Clapham) |
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Hi Jean,
Thanks for your replies. Here is my dilema regarding Mary Sykes. For some stupid reason when I found the death listing - SYKES Mary 68 Birkenhead Wirral BIR/13/66 June 1852 - I did not refer to the 1851 Census which I have had for ages and shows John as a widower. I automatically assumed it was correct, since it was the only one that fitted with her date of birth and place of residence at the time. There were plenty of others in Cheshire but the ages did not tie in with her birth date of 1784. The closest one was - SYKES Mary 56 Stockport Second Stockport ST2/7/16 1846 - DOB 1790 . So this leaves me with John a widower in 1851 whose wife appears only to have died in 1852!!! Any thoughts on where to from here???
Regards,
Yvonne
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ALCOCK - LIVERPOOL, LANCS. & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
SYKES - STOCKPORT & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
QUIGGIN - ISLE OF MAN & LIVERPOOL
PORTER - LIVERPOOL, LANCS.
WYNNE - FLINTSHIRE, WALES & BIRKENHEAD, CSH.
SMITH, EVANS, OWENS, ADSHEAD, PARRY, HALL - CHESTER
PINDER - SHOREDITCH & SURROUNDING AREAS, LONDON
SMITH - ST MARTIN IN THE FIELDS, WESTMINSTER.
RADLEY/READLEY - SAINT MARYLEBONE, LONDON
SOUTH AFRICA - ALCOCK, PAPENDORF, PIENAAR, SLABBERT, BROWN(E), ALBERTYN, LIEBENBERG.
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The only thing I can think of is that perhaps she died Liverpool.
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Wych
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Hi Silvery,
I have found two listings in Liverpool on FreeBMD (below) but unfortunately no ages given and nothing on LancashireBMD or IGI.
Deaths Dec 1847 Sykes Mary Liverpool 20 347
Deaths Jun 1848 Sykes Mary Jane Liverpool 20 316
I did a broad search on IGI for possible marriages outside Cheshire between 1815 and 1821 and turned up 14 possibilities, 10 of which were in Yorkshire, so this might be another possibility.
Thanks for your interest and regards,
Yvonne
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ALCOCK - LIVERPOOL, LANCS. & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
SYKES - STOCKPORT & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
QUIGGIN - ISLE OF MAN & LIVERPOOL
PORTER - LIVERPOOL, LANCS.
WYNNE - FLINTSHIRE, WALES & BIRKENHEAD, CSH.
SMITH, EVANS, OWENS, ADSHEAD, PARRY, HALL - CHESTER
PINDER - SHOREDITCH & SURROUNDING AREAS, LONDON
SMITH - ST MARTIN IN THE FIELDS, WESTMINSTER.
RADLEY/READLEY - SAINT MARYLEBONE, LONDON
SOUTH AFRICA - ALCOCK, PAPENDORF, PIENAAR, SLABBERT, BROWN(E), ALBERTYN, LIEBENBERG.
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Hi Yvonne and others,
Just for completeness here is the 1851 census ref: HO107 2175/155 Page 13 and 1841 HO107 126/8/5 Page 4
A couple of things come to mind. You know from the baptism record at St Mary's, Stockport that Mary's mother was also Mary. But there is no relationship given on the 1841 census so there is no evidence that the Mary there is John's wife - it's possible that she had already died even before registration in 1837 although I think it is unlikely.
You say that John is a Weaver on the baptism record of his daughter - in 1851 he is a Proprietor of Houses, not impossible but is it likely for a weaver?
If you have a look on http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/Recordoffice/Wills/ there is a will for a John Sykes probated in 1855 at Birkenhead. If you think that this could be him it may well be worth getting a copy as it would give you details of other children.
Sorry I can't think of anything else at the moment, will post again if I do.
Jean
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor) HRT: Gurney HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St) LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale) NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering) YKS: Scott(Clapham) |
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Hi Jean,
Thank you so much for all the trouble you have gone to today regarding my Sykes query. You have no idea just how much you have helped me. I had a look at the Cheshire Council site and would you believe not only am I pretty sure that the John Sykes found is my man but I also found a definite will for another of my HUGE stumbling blocks - Thomas Smith - Market Gardener of Great Boughton. As you can imagine, finding anything definite for a person by the name of Smith is quite incredible!!! So ....... I am off to do some 'will' shopping, with a big smile on my face!!!
Just as a matter of interest, John Sykes was listed on his daughter Mary Ann's marriage certificate in 1844 as 'warehouseman' - what ever that might be. Possibly the occupation of weaver was one that followed through in the Sykes family and it wasn't quite John's forte.
Take care Jean and thanks again, so very, very much.
Regards,
Yvonne
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ALCOCK - LIVERPOOL, LANCS. & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
SYKES - STOCKPORT & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
QUIGGIN - ISLE OF MAN & LIVERPOOL
PORTER - LIVERPOOL, LANCS.
WYNNE - FLINTSHIRE, WALES & BIRKENHEAD, CSH.
SMITH, EVANS, OWENS, ADSHEAD, PARRY, HALL - CHESTER
PINDER - SHOREDITCH & SURROUNDING AREAS, LONDON
SMITH - ST MARTIN IN THE FIELDS, WESTMINSTER.
RADLEY/READLEY - SAINT MARYLEBONE, LONDON
SOUTH AFRICA - ALCOCK, PAPENDORF, PIENAAR, SLABBERT, BROWN(E), ALBERTYN, LIEBENBERG.
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Hi Yvonne,
This will be of no help whatsoever with your research but you may find it of interest.
Did you know that Emma Bardsley was baptised on the same day as Mary Sykes? They are both on the same page in the parish records
Mary was entry number 1897 and Emma 1902.
I did have a look at the St Mary marriages and there isn’t one listed for a John Sykes to a Mary at that time.
Samuel Bardsley was a publican and he is listed on the Stockport Biography Index in 1821-22 his pub, “British Protection” was in Adlington Square which was in Chestergate. He’s there again in 1825; the name of the pub has changed slightly to “Britons Protection”
Regards,
Pat
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Carson, Stockport, Clowes/Clews, Stockport Mollard, Wilmslow, Handforth, Darlington, Cheadle, Cheshire Shanley, Cheshire and Ireland Quinn, Ireland, Stoke on Trent and Stockport Bowden, Stockport, Rooking, Addingham, Yorkshire Flannigan/ Flannagan, Macclesfield and Stockport Census information is Crown Copyright from, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Wych
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Hi Pat,
Thanks for your mail. I do know that Mary and Emma were baptised on the same day as I received the certificate from Stockport Library. However, the information on Samuel Bardsley is very interesting, thank you. Don't ask me why but I have a very strong feeling that the Sykes and Bardsley families are connected, either through Mary or maybe through Sykes. Possibly one of the Bardsley wives might have been a Sykes by birth. I will keep this information on the back burner as who knows what might turn up.
Regards,
Yvonne
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ALCOCK - LIVERPOOL, LANCS. & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
SYKES - STOCKPORT & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
QUIGGIN - ISLE OF MAN & LIVERPOOL
PORTER - LIVERPOOL, LANCS.
WYNNE - FLINTSHIRE, WALES & BIRKENHEAD, CSH.
SMITH, EVANS, OWENS, ADSHEAD, PARRY, HALL - CHESTER
PINDER - SHOREDITCH & SURROUNDING AREAS, LONDON
SMITH - ST MARTIN IN THE FIELDS, WESTMINSTER.
RADLEY/READLEY - SAINT MARYLEBONE, LONDON
SOUTH AFRICA - ALCOCK, PAPENDORF, PIENAAR, SLABBERT, BROWN(E), ALBERTYN, LIEBENBERG.
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Hi Yvonne,
Let us know what happens when you receive the wills and good luck!!
Jean
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCHS: Barber(Tabley) Barlow(Antrobus) Blackshaw(Lymm, Mobberley) Blease/Done/Moore(G Bud) Owen(Netherton, Tabley) Spragg/Witter(Goostrey) Youd(Frodsham) Pennell Bankes Birchall Beckett DBY: Higginbottom(Mellor) HRT: Gurney HRT/BED/ESS: Verney (Markyate St) LAN: Davenport(Bolton) Schofield/Gurney(Oldham) Lord(Heap) Quinn(Manchester) Sutcliffe(Rossendale) NTH: Tubb/Johnson(Hellidon)Brown(Kettering) YKS: Scott(Clapham) |
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Hi Yvonne,
To echo Jean’s sentiments, good luck and yes, do let us know about the wills.
Regards,
Pat
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Carson, Stockport, Clowes/Clews, Stockport Mollard, Wilmslow, Handforth, Darlington, Cheadle, Cheshire Shanley, Cheshire and Ireland Quinn, Ireland, Stoke on Trent and Stockport Bowden, Stockport, Rooking, Addingham, Yorkshire Flannigan/ Flannagan, Macclesfield and Stockport Census information is Crown Copyright from, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Thanks Jean and Pat for your interest/help/good wishes, will definitely let you know the outcome of the wills. I am getting so impatient, they should arrive around the 26th ..... how many more sleeps is that?
Take care,
Yvonne
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ALCOCK - LIVERPOOL, LANCS. & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
SYKES - STOCKPORT & BIRKENHEAD, CHS.
QUIGGIN - ISLE OF MAN & LIVERPOOL
PORTER - LIVERPOOL, LANCS.
WYNNE - FLINTSHIRE, WALES & BIRKENHEAD, CSH.
SMITH, EVANS, OWENS, ADSHEAD, PARRY, HALL - CHESTER
PINDER - SHOREDITCH & SURROUNDING AREAS, LONDON
SMITH - ST MARTIN IN THE FIELDS, WESTMINSTER.
RADLEY/READLEY - SAINT MARYLEBONE, LONDON
SOUTH AFRICA - ALCOCK, PAPENDORF, PIENAAR, SLABBERT, BROWN(E), ALBERTYN, LIEBENBERG.
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