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ROBINS,DEACON,SHELLY,THOMPSON,SHARGOOL Gothic Cottage White Lion Street STAFFORD
« on: Saturday 08 March 08 15:17 GMT (UK) »

A scribbled address in an old prayer book led to me finding brothers Arthur & Ernest ROBINS aged 6 & 4 lodging at Gothic Cottage White Lion Street Castle Church Stafford in 1871. I have managed to trace their lives through many trials and tribulations until death. However I have found no trace of their birth.
Arthurs marriage certificate has a penciled note " Fathers christian name not known , William ? ". Ernests first marriage certificate has father " Thomas ROBINS" occupation grocer. His second marriage has father named Arthur William.Back to the 1871 census and Arthur is given, born 1865 Richmond Surrey.Ernest born 1867 Birmingham. Other names in the house are DEACON,SHARGOOL ?,SHELLY and THOMPSON. Considering the age of Arthur and Ernest I suspect one of these names knew the boys history and put it on the census. Any demolition experts want a crack at this wall ?


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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 08 March 08 16:57 GMT (UK) »

Further to the above Ernest was admitted to Stafford Workhouse April 3rd 1880. He left six days later but was readmitted Feb.18th. 1881. On June 11th.1881 he was apprenticed to Henry SPRAGGINS of Stafford as a shoe finisher.
Arthur ROBINS by this time was lodging in Wigan Lancashire where he spent the rest of his life.


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Re: ROBINS Gothic Cottage White Lion Street STAFFORD
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 08 March 08 17:47 GMT (UK) »

Hi viddavid
Have you tried looking for Arthur being a couple of year older he might have remember more about his father and put his name down on his marriage

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Re: ROBINS Gothic Cottage White Lion Street STAFFORD
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 08 March 08 17:51 GMT (UK) »

sorry i can see now you have his marriage
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Re: ROBINS Gothic Cottage White Lion Street STAFFORD
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 09 March 08 11:55 GMT (UK) »

Hi Viddavid,

Welcome to Rootschat.

There is a picture on this site which may be your Gothic House. If you type Gothic into the search engine on the site it will bring the picture up.

www.staffspasttrack.org.uk -

Cathy Grin


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Re: ROBINS Gothic Cottage White Lion Street STAFFORD
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 09 March 08 13:16 GMT (UK) »

Hello Cathy,
Thank you very much for that link. Yes that is Gothic Cottage. It is still standing today and being used by a printing company. It was built between 1840-1842 on the site of Castle Church workhouse. Later Ernest ROBINS became a pauper inmate of the new Stafford Union Workhouse. I don't know if the cottage was privately owned when it was built.
The prayer book ,owned by Arthur ROBINS has the date 1877 printed followed by -8-9-10-1-2-3-4 added in pencil.This may just be a childs doodle while sitting in church as by 1881 Arthur was in Wigan Lancashire.
There is another address : 46 Newport Road Stafford. I don't know who lived there.....yet.


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Re: ROBINS Gothic Cottage White Lion Street STAFFORD
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 09 March 08 14:06 GMT (UK) »

Hi Viddavid,

What a sad going on for these two little boys - Ernest in the workhouse and the other one in Wigan Lancashire.

There is an Ernest Robbins born in Aston Warwickshire, Oct/Nov/Dec 1869. For someone filling in the census information on the children they might put Birmingham down, but it is a bit of long shot.

Edit. Sorry this is not the one, he is the son of James and Caroline Robbins on the 1881 census.

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 09 March 08 14:59 GMT (UK) »

Hi Cathy,
Thanks for trying. This is quite a challenge which I've been working on for some time. It's great to have others looking, it has spurred me on.
Yes it was a hard beginning for the two boys. It got a lot worse for Ernest. As I traced his life he married and had six children but was living in a rough area of London. His wife died as did his children. His eldest son died next to him in the trenches during WW1 having returned from Canada to fight. I thought that was the end of the line until I was contacted by someone last year who told me Ernest remarried and had six more children. He died peacefully aged 62 in Wiltshire.


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Re: ROBINS Gothic Cottage White Lion Street STAFFORD
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 09 March 08 16:46 GMT (UK) »

Hi Viddavid,

What a tragic life poor Arthur had.

On looking at the workhouse website I notice that all the records are held at the County Records Office in Stafford. I am not sure what is recorded on these records but I could have a look for Ernest's entries. My visit might not be for a couple of months yet and if you feel this would help I would be happy to see what there is.

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Re: ROBINS Gothic Cottage White Lion Street STAFFORD
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 09 March 08 17:35 GMT (UK) »

Hello Cathy,
That is a very kind offer. I have had some help from Malinda Law an archivist at the Staffordshire Record Office. She was able to find by searching admissions and discharge register ( Volume D659/1/4/12 ) quite a lot of information. She also searched the Guardians' Minutes ( DD659/1/1/15) to find Ernest left the workhouse to be apprenticed to Henry SPRAGGINS of Stafford as a shoe finisher. This was one piece of good fortune as after his second marriage Ernest was able to open his own shoe shop in Salisbury Wiltshire thanks to learning a trade.
There may be other scraps of information in the volumes of Guardians' Minutes waiting to be discovered as they are not indexed and vary in content depending on the clerk who wrote them. I'm sure you will have a fascinating time but take a box of tissues so your tears don't damage the records. As you can imagine I will be overjoyed if you find something new.

David


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Re: ROBINS Gothic Cottage White Lion Street STAFFORD
« Reply #10 on: Monday 31 March 08 13:49 BST (UK) »

Quote from: viddavid on Sunday 09 March 08 13:16 GMT (UK)

There is another address : 46 Newport Road Stafford. I don't know who lived there.....yet.

Still haven't tracked this down as early census doesn't have house numbers. Any ideas ?


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