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Topic: Long lost Frederick Roberts in Clapham,London (Read 320 times)
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Kimberley
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The Frederick William ROBERTS I am researching was born 11 December 1861,Peploe Street,Hoole,Cheshire..son of Joseph & Ann Joule ROBERTS nee Davenport.
Through efforts of many Rootchatters a Frederick Roberts (29 & 39 res) appears at 71 Crescent Lane,Clapham London in both 1891 & 1901 census...with wife Alice Maud and children ...Percy Frederick ROBERTS,Charles Thomas ROBERTS,Harold Cecil ROBERTS,Nelson Ernest ROBERTS & Leonard Cyril ROBERTS.
Children in 1901 census were Percy Frederick Roberts 12 b Dulwich,Charles Thomas Roberts 8 b Clapham,Harold Cecil Roberts 5 b Clapham,Nelson Ernest Roberts 2 b Clapham & Leonard Cyril Roberts 3m b Clapham !!
Love to find a link to chap born Cheshire and family in London "if" it exists and if any of these children's families survive !!!!
Note marriage on FreeBMD Frederick ROBERTS/Alice Maud BEECHLEY 3rd qtr 1887,St Olave,London  ??...not sure if the family in Clapham are these two !
Long lost ..long shot !
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trish251
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This may be Frederick in 1871/1881 - birthplace in 1881 (which you can check on the familysearch site) is the same as 1901
1871 RG10/3842 62/6 Lancashire West Derby - Impossible image to read!
24 Dodge Street
Joseph Roberts head mar railway clerk Flintshire?
? Roberts daur ? 31? seamstress ? lancashire (this may be his wife)
Joseph Roberts son 11 scholar ? lancashire
Fredk W Roberts son 7 scholar Chesh Rearline?
John Morrison brother in law mar 46 nail maker ?
Sophia Morrison sister mar 39 no occupation Flintshire
1881 Frederick(born Chester Cheshire) and brother Robert seem to be living with Aunt/Uncle Jessie and Alice Reid in Lancashire still
I would probably buy the marriage certificate and check the father's name.
Trish
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Annette7
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The 1871 and 1881 entries mentioned are definitely the same people. John Morrison appears on both. I believe that the 'nephew' applied to Joseph and Robert is incorrect and should read 'brother in law'. I have found family on 1861 Census:
1861 - Peploe Street, Hoole, Cheshire
Joseph Roberts 34 Railway Auditor b. Holywell, Flintshire
Anne Roberts 32 b. Fra (France I assume) British Subject
Alice Roberts 10 dau. b. Manchester
Joseph Roberts 1 son b. Manchester
Mary Hughes 15 servant b. Cheshire
RG9 2632 26 47
I would say the 1861/71/81 plus the 1891/1901 are the same family. I also think the marriage you've found is the correct one - their eldest son was born in Dulwich. However, the only way you are ever going to know for certain is by purchasing the marriage certificate.
(Have looked at the 1871 Census which is indeed unclear - however, for Alice dau. the age is wrong and should be 20, birthplace is Manchester, Lancashire, likewise Joseph's birthplace is Manchester, Lancashire and Frederick W. is Chester, Cheshire and John Morrison's birthplace is Scotland.)
Annette
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trish251
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Hi Annette
Your eyesight is so very much better than mine  - I'm sure it will be much appreciated 
Trish
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Kimberley
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The 1871 and 1881 entries mentioned are definitely the same people. John Morrison appears on both. I believe that the 'nephew' applied to Joseph and Robert is incorrect and should read 'brother in law'. I have found family on 1861 Census:
1861 - Peploe Street, Hoole, Cheshire
Joseph Roberts 34 Railway Auditor b. Holywell, Flintshire
Anne Roberts 32 b. Fra (France I assume) British Subject
Alice Roberts 10 dau. b. Manchester
Joseph Roberts 1 son b. Manchester
Mary Hughes 15 servant b. Cheshire
RG9 2632 26 47
I would say the 1861/71/81 plus the 1891/1901 are the same family. I also think the marriage you've found is the correct one - their eldest son was born in Dulwich. However, the only way you are ever going to know for certain is by purchasing the marriage certificate.
(Have looked at the 1871 Census which is indeed unclear - however, for Alice dau. the age is wrong and should be 20, birthplace is Manchester, Lancashire, likewise Joseph's birthplace is Manchester, Lancashire and Frederick W. is Chester, Cheshire and John Morrison's birthplace is Scotland.)
Annette
Thank you very much !
Kimberley
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Kimberley
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The 1871 and 1881 entries mentioned are definitely the same people. John Morrison appears on both. I believe that the 'nephew' applied to Joseph and Robert is incorrect and should read 'brother in law'. I have found family on 1861 Census:
1861 - Peploe Street, Hoole, Cheshire
Joseph Roberts 34 Railway Auditor b. Holywell, Flintshire
Anne Roberts 32 b. Fra (France I assume) British Subject
Alice Roberts 10 dau. b. Manchester
Joseph Roberts 1 son b. Manchester
Mary Hughes 15 servant b. Cheshire
RG9 2632 26 47
I would say the 1861/71/81 plus the 1891/1901 are the same family. I also think the marriage you've found is the correct one - their eldest son was born in Dulwich. However, the only way you are ever going to know for certain is by purchasing the marriage certificate.
(Have looked at the 1871 Census which is indeed unclear - however, for Alice dau. the age is wrong and should be 20, birthplace is Manchester, Lancashire, likewise Joseph's birthplace is Manchester, Lancashire and Frederick W. is Chester, Cheshire and John Morrison's birthplace is Scotland.)
Annette
I am jumping the gun and know, and I will have to order m/c for Frederick ROBERTS & Alice Maud BEECHEY in 1887 to establish if the 1891 & 1901 entries are them.
Interesting children names and probably too young for WW1 and too old for WW2 service !
The Joseph ROBERTS 34 "Auditor" in 1861 would be father of Frederick William ROBERTS born 11 December 1861,Chester...and Joseph ROBERTS married Ann Joule DAVENPORT in 1849 Manchester.I suspect Joseph was born Hollywell,Flintshire in 1827 !
Am I right in thinking there are no further census records after 1901 !
Just wondering if any descendants of Frederick Roberts and Alice Maud Roberts nee Beechey (if they are the family at 71 Crescent Lane Clapham in 1891 and 1901?) are still extant !!!
Very interesting..to me anyway !
Please wish me luck !
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trish251
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Hi Kimberly
Given that all the children on the 1901 have double given names, it is quite possible you may find marriages for them on FreeBDM
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Form c. 1911, the birth indexes contain the mother's maiden name, so if you find a marriage, you may be able to find children. (Remembering that Free BDM is NOT complete & records are somewhat scarce after 1920).
The 1911 Census will be available next year
Trish
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Kimberley
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Hi Kimberly Given that all the children on the 1901 have double given names, it is quite possible you may find marriages for them on FreeBDM http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Form c. 1911, the birth indexes contain the mother's maiden name, so if you find a marriage, you may be able to find children. (Remembering that Free BDM is NOT complete & records are somewhat scarce after 1920). The 1911 Census will be available next year Trish Ok ! Off again ! Might last another few years ! Once again thank you for all the help Trish. Kimberley
I did find a Frederick Roberts on historicaldirecories in 1908 at 71 Crescent Lane,Clapham...so he was presumably still alive in about 1908 !!
Had a peep on FreeBMD ...quite few Roberts' to view !!!!!
So am trawling to find his children and his childen's children ... may take a few years !
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Kimberley
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Hi Kimberly Given that all the children on the 1901 have double given names, it is quite possible you may find marriages for them on FreeBDM http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Form c. 1911, the birth indexes contain the mother's maiden name, so if you find a marriage, you may be able to find children. (Remembering that Free BDM is NOT complete & records are somewhat scarce after 1920). The 1911 Census will be available next year Trish Ok ! Off again ! Might last another few years ! Once again thank you for all the help Trish. Kimberley I did find a Frederick Roberts on historicaldirecories in 1908 at 71 Crescent Lane,Clapham...so he was still alive in about 1908 !! Had a peep on FreeBMD ...quite few Roberts' to view !!!!! So am trawling to find his children and his childen's children ... may take a few years !
Seeking record of marriage in 1914
Percy F ROBERTS to Ada COOPER June qtr 1914 Wandsworth
(Percy F Roberts may be Percy ROBERTS who appears in 1901 census aged 12 born Dulwich,Camberwell
children from Percy F & Ada Roberts nee Cooper marriage "maybe" as follows !
qtr/year
Ruby L ROBERTS 2/1915 Wandsworth
Arthur C ROBERTS 2/1917 Lambeth
Ronald L ROBERTS 1/1916 Lambeth
Douglas W ROBERTS 4/1922 Lambeth
Stanley F.P.ROBERTS 1/1922 Lambeth
If any RC is able to advise repository or source for information of above and possible marriages of children circa 1940/1950 !
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