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Topic: St Johns [Bedwardine] & St Bartholomews Church, Grimley. (Read 588 times)
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Nemo
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Hello Jamie
Just to clarify, Worcester is a city within the county of Worcestershire and St Johns has been a suburb of that city for many years. So no need to look in another county!
Historically Hallow was a chapelry of Grimley. There were no Richard Wilkes baptised at either Hallow or St John in Bedwardine (St Johns) circa 1802. There was one Wilkes family only in St Johns at that time - Thomas and his wife Hannah. They had at least three children baptised 1799, 1801 and their son William baptised on 5 June 1802, so that would seem to rule that family out. I can also confirm that at that time, Richard was not a common name in the three parishes and none of the illegitimate boys baptised around 1802 had the first name Richard.
So it is looking probable that “your” Richard Wilkes was baptised at Grimley and presumably he was the one who married Maria Severn there on 20 June 1826 The parish registers for 1802 only show the info you have from www.familysearch.org. “ December 29 1802 Richard Wilkes son of Joseph and Ann Wilkes”. I didn’t have time to check if there was any extra info re Richard’s marriage.
You could ask for someone to do a lookup for Joseph Wilkes and Ann’s marriage in the Worcestershire Marriage Index volumes at the Local & Family History Centre in Worcester. Joseph and Ann may well have come from elsewhere - even a parish on the opposite bank of the River Severn! You can check Grimley marriages on Hugh Wallis IGI batch numbers website at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyWorcester.htm#PageTitle
Not specifically relevant to you enquiry but some of Hallow parish became part of St John in Bedwardine parish in 1885 – so very confusing!!
See British History on-line:-
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43138
HTH
Nemo
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Jamie H
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Thank you for the clarification, Nemo. Yes, I think my Richard WILKS is the one who married Maria SEVERN and baptised at Grimley.
I do have the information that Joseph and Ann were married at Winchcombe, Gloucs. Knowing that Richard is an uncommon name leads me to suppose that just possibly I might find Joseph WILKS ancestry if I look for a Richard as his father.
Richard WILKS seems to have been an only child. I can't find any siblings. But, I did notice that Thomas and Hannah WILKS, who you mention, had children with mostly the same names as Richard WILKS of Grimley. So, I have wondered if there was a connection somewhere – across one generation.
Thank you for the Hugh Wallis IGI batch numbers site.
Jamie
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TUDGEY; STEVENS (Surrey); SMITH (Surrey, Essex, Norfolk); WILKS (Worcs); YOUNG (Worcs); COWLEY (Ireland, Surrey); GROVE (Hampshire); REEVES (Gloucs. Worcs.); RETFORD (Hampshire, Surrey); FAIRBROTHER (Kent); WEBB (Surrey, Bucks); WILLIAMS (Pembrokeshire). Nicol (Scotland);DOLLOWAY (Kent); BOX (Worcs).
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jacques
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Jus to confuse you sorry am replying to an earlier post re Joseph and Ann Wilks possibility of 1841 1851 Census.
On 1841 @ Stow on the Wold Gloucestershire ref HO 107/366/21
Joseph Wilks 65 Weaver Not born in Co of Glouc
Ann 60 Yes born Glouc
Hannah 25 Daughter " " "
1851 @ The House Grimley Worc there is son Richard with wife Marai and family.
Also found a Death of a James Wilks June qtr 1841 ref Martley XV111 then in brackets (3) 1 (2) whatever that means Apologies if this is a load of rubbish. I did try. You said Ann Bap at Martley?
Pam
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Jamie H
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Pam, thank you. The Joseph WILKS and Ann you mention could certainly be the ones I'm looking for. Dates are bit elastic in those days, so maybe it could fit. If it is them, they were married in 1794 in Winchcombe, Gloucs. If Ann was 60 in 1841 I worked out that she'd have been 13 when married, but I've been told that the ages were rounded down for the census, so she might have been a few years older. Son Richard was, as you say, living with his own household by then. And so Hannah could be a sister – a much younger sister – but still it's possible.
And, wouldn't it fit, too, with Ann being born at Martley because bits of Worcs were in Gloucs. in those days?
Jamie
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TUDGEY; STEVENS (Surrey); SMITH (Surrey, Essex, Norfolk); WILKS (Worcs); YOUNG (Worcs); COWLEY (Ireland, Surrey); GROVE (Hampshire); REEVES (Gloucs. Worcs.); RETFORD (Hampshire, Surrey); FAIRBROTHER (Kent); WEBB (Surrey, Bucks); WILLIAMS (Pembrokeshire). Nicol (Scotland);DOLLOWAY (Kent); BOX (Worcs).
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philheeks
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Hi Jamie
Here are the results of my look up at Worcester History Centre for GRIMLY
Joseph Wilks = Ann (IGI 29 DEC 1802) there are no Banns or Marriage on parish registers
Banns John Wilks & Elizabeth Weaver 29 SEP, 6 OCT, 13 OCT 1811
MAR John Wilks (B) = Elizabeth Weaver (S) 20 OCT 1811
Wits - Edward ________, Mary Harrison
Searched 1794 - 1815 for siblings of Richard C1802 but was unable to find any
also unable to trace Joseph's line any further back as his baptism cant be found
All the very best
Phil
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Worcestershire - Heeks, Maiden, Pinchin, Hartland, Tredwell, Holliday, Morton, Collins, Aldington, Saunders
Oxfordshire - Gomm, Hamblet, Austin, Winter,
Herefordshire - Lowe
Radnor - Lowe, Powell
Gloucestershire - Holliday, Pinchin
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philheeks
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Hi Jamie
yes it means just what it says (there's nothing in the banns or marriages for this couple) & its another error on the GRO & its by far from the first time that this sort of thing has cropped up on the IGI where a baptism has been invented as it was thought it should be there.
All the very best
Phil
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Worcestershire - Heeks, Maiden, Pinchin, Hartland, Tredwell, Holliday, Morton, Collins, Aldington, Saunders
Oxfordshire - Gomm, Hamblet, Austin, Winter,
Herefordshire - Lowe
Radnor - Lowe, Powell
Gloucestershire - Holliday, Pinchin
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