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bedfordshire boy
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In 1841 there are no George Breeds that could have been the father of Elizabeth born 1851. Unless there are spelling variations that I haven't picked up. For example there's a George Breed living in Yorkshire in 1851 age 28 born Southill, Beds (next door to Northill), who I haven't picked up in 1841. Is he connected to Elizabeth?
Whilst you may be right that the marriage cert is in error, I don't think it's "safe to assume" that it's definitely an error without doing further research. In fact I'm not sure that it will ever be safe in the absence of a will by William or Jane Breed referring to a daughter Elizabeth, wife of Robert Welford. The best you might be able to say is that on the balance of probabilities the marriage cert is wrong and her father was actually William.
Did any other members of the family move to Yorkshire? If not it seems a major move for a 19 year old girl. Have you been able to trace William and Jane after 1861?
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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I see that Elizabeth was baptised in a non-conformist church (assuming she was the daughter of William and Jane). Could her move up north have been church related? Did she remain non-conformist?
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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Hi Jim
There's usually a rational explanation for most things.
I was born in Henlow, and Alfred Watts, Eliza Tyler's husband, was my great grandmother's younger brother! I have done a fair bit of research on them (but not on the Tylers).
Alfred and Eliza married in Henlow on 30 Jan 1869, and their first son, also Alfred, was born in the same quarter. They were on the 1871 census in Lofthouse, so they must have moved oop north between early 1869 and March 1871 (but almost certainly by May 1870 when Eliza was a witness at Elizabeth Breed's marriage). George and Susan had a child in Lofthouse at the end of 1869, so possibly as you suggest, they moved together around mid 1869, with Elizabeth as well. Sadly, Eliza and Susan never acclimatised to the harsh Yorkshire weather, having been raised in the balmier (NOT barmier!) Bedfordshire climate, and Eliza died in the June quarter 1879 age only 29, and Susan in 1880 aged 35.
On balance I agree that the marriage cert is probably in error, the scribe getting confused by George the witness, and Elizabeth's father was actually William. It's a pity that the 1871 census seems to be in error as well, for Susan's birthplace is shown as Stondon. Whilst her first daughter was born in Stondon Susan was from Northill (or the hamlet of Caldecote in Northill). Unfortunately you only get one bite at the cherry as she had died before the 1881 census.
The marriage of George and Susan is on the IGI (extracted so reliable), at Henlow in 1866. Susan's age is 22, father William, which fits very nicely with the Northill Breed family in 1851 and 1861. It will be interesting to see if she is of the parish of Northill, and to see who the witnesses are. JohnP-Bedford and I often ask who the witnesses were, to see if they offer a clue - it's nice just sometimes to find that not only do they give a clue, they provide the key to the problem.
Regards
David
PS I see that by 1881 a third member of the Tyler clan had also moved to Lofthouse - George Mabbot and wife Ellen, née Tyler, sister of George and Eliza
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Hi Jim
I agree!
Too many points that tie up for the marriage cert not to be in error. I usually err on the cautious side as you may have inferred from my earlier posts, but I'm convinced now!
David
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