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« on: Tuesday 11 March 08 00:45 GMT (UK) »
 Hi I'm looking for the mother's names of Richard Browning app date of birth 1819 Huntingdonshire father's name Richard Browning also Mary Smith app date of birth 1825 Huntingdonshire father's name Joseph Smith, Richard & Mary married at the parish of (looks like Ramsey) in 1851, 1 of the witnesses on the marriage cert is a David Browning  don't know if this is a brother for Richard jnr any help greatly appreciated
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« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 01:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi natae,

In 1851 census Richard is a lodger, but here's the family in 1841 possibly, it would help if you gave all the occupations of both fathers and Richard junior from the marriage cert to help confirm:

1841 HO107/448/13 fol.40 p.7
Farm House, Ramsey, Huntingdonshire
BROWNING
Richard 50 Ag Lab
Jno.      25     "
Rich.     20
David   15 Lab
Job      14    "
Sarah   45
Sarah   12
Caroline 6
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Thos Wite 25 Ag. Lab
Jno. Ganner 26   "
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all born in county

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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 01:11 GMT (UK) »
Here's 1851:

HO107/1748 Fol.47  P.1
Gore Common, Ramsey
in household of William Tibbles, Ag. Lab
Richard Browning lodger unm 27 Ag. Lab  Ramsey

HO107/1748  Fol.41  P.20
Lodes End, Ramsey
John Browning head m 35 Farm Labour
Sarah     "        wife   m 35
Elizh.      "         dau       10
all born Ramsey

next door
Richard Browning head m 64 Farm Labour   Standground Hunts
Sarah       "           wife  m 57                        Kingripton  Hunts


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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 01:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Barbara thankyou very much as for the occ both dad's and Richard are all laboures nothing to say what Mary was doing at the time of marriage there was 1 daughter born to this couple before they arrived in AUSTRALIA my Eliza was born 1860 Cargoar NSW AUS thankyou for your help
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 01:44 GMT (UK) »
I wondered if that was why I couldn't find them in 1861 - I was hoping 1861 would give place of birth for them both so I could find Mary  Smiley

I think Mary was a servant in 1851, not with her family, as you may realise, Smith not the rarest name to look for!

Will look for Joseph just to make sure she's not at home, but she may not have been born in Ramsey.

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 01:52 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Barbara I know what you mean with the Smith name I also have New that is not the easiest name to search you get New everything but never the surname New
thanks again for your help it's greatly appreciated
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 02:16 GMT (UK) »
A possible Joseph Smith in Ramsey, Richard & Mary's childrens' names may give you a clue if they named them after siblings or parents:

HO107/448/13/ Fol.41 P.8.
Middlemore Fen, Ramsey  (next page on from the Brownings)
SMITH
Joseph 45 Ag. Lab
Ann      45
Mary     10
/
Ann HADDON 2
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all born in county

I know this Mary seems a little young  though

Probably same family in 1851

1851 HO107/1748  Fol.36  P.10
Middlemore, Ramsey
Joseph SMITH head Wid 53 Farm Labour  Bury Hunts
Wm. PAPWORTH visitor m 34  "         "      Ramsey
Mary     "                 "          4                          "
William  "                "           4months             "
Ann HADDON          "         14                         "
Ann PAPWORTH      "     m 28                         "

1851 HO107/1748  Fol.55  P.17
Dainbie House, Ramsey
in household of Sands Newton, farmer
Mary Smith servant s 20  Ramsey

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 06:23 GMT (UK) »
Richard Browning married Sarah Day in 1814 at Ramsey, Hunts (per Hunts Marriage Index). You need to check the register to see who the witnesses were to see if they provide any clues.

A Sarah Day was baptised in Kings Ripton on 1 Dec 1793, daughter of William and Keziah, which fits perfectly with the 1851 census. Unfortunately there's also a burial of Sarah Day in Kings Ripton on 7 Feb 1795 - it will need reference to the parish register to see if it states daughter of William & Keziah, as no age is given. William & Kezia were the only Day couple baptising children in Kings Ripton, and they baptised 8 children between 1786 and 1804, but there wasn't another Sarah after 1795.

William Day married Kezia Bass in Kings Ripton 1786, but you need to establish first that these were actually the parents of Sarah, wife of Richard Browning senior


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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 09:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi David thank you for the info can you tell me how to find the witnesses for this marriage
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 08:24 GMT (UK) »
Various options. You could

- hope that someone who reads this thread has the transcript of Ramsey parish register
   produced by Huntingdonshire Family History Society and comes up with the information
- post a specific request on this board with the Subject "Ramsey parish register look up"
- buy the fiche from Hunts FHS at http://www.huntsfhs.org.uk/Publications/Fiche-8.html
- contact Huntingdon records office to see if they can check the parish register - they may
  require a fee. See
  http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/visiting/crohuntingdon.htm

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Thanks David
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« Reply #11 on: Friday 14 March 08 00:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi David just letting you know that a lady from Huntingdonshire sent me some info on the family that the Richard Browning and the Sarah Day that you found also had a daughter Keziah so I'd say you where right on with the info don't know why there is a death for Sarah thanks again for your help
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