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jean7
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Hi I am new to this today and was told to come hear and some of you might be able to help. I am looking for my auntie and uncle who I think pasted away 2 or 3 years ago. Their names were Helen Turner nee Wass and George Turner. They used to live in Murray Grove Islington but were moved out as the estate that they lived on was torn down . They would have been in their ninties and we lost touch some years ago as I live in Australia
thanks for your help
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carol8353
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Hi Jean
Welcome to Rootschat 
Do you have any idea when or where they married,were they always around the London area?
I am trying to establish if they had middle names at all to narrow down the search.
Do you know when or where either were born- or what kids they had?
Especially hoping to find out more about Helen,with her much more unusual surname.Turners are going to be far more difficult to find 
All the best
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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avm228
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This is going to be a tough one with so little information.
There is no Turner listed in Murray Grove in the published electoral roll for the years 2002-2008.
If there are any further clues at all they may help. Deaths for the modern period are indexed with full birthdates, so if you or anybody else in the family can remember what George's or Helen's birthdays were (day/month, even if you don't know year) that could help narrow down the many Turner deaths.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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jean7
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I have been asking around and I have come up with a bit more unfortunately not much
Helen's mum was called Ethel and her dad was William
she had tow brothers William and Henry.
Georges day of birth is 9th May but I don't know the year
he had diabetes and she had alsymers deases
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carol8353
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This may be totally off the mark but here goes anyway.
Robert W Wass married Ethel M Church in Pancras in Dec 1916 ref 1b 53.
ELLEN F A Wass was born in St Pancras in Dec 1917 Mothers maiden name Church.
Also brother William J born March 1920 same place.
Ellen could be Helen couldn't it? My best friends mum was really Ellen,my mum always called her Helen 
Trying to find younger brother Henry next.
What does anyone think?
Possible George Ernest Turner born 9 May 1915 died Jul 2000 age 85 in Tower Hamlets London. Would fit in with her being born 1917
Will also be checking for their marriage next.
Regards
Carol
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carol8353
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Yep  Henry Wass mothers maiden name Church(although they've spelt it Chruch!)born in Pancras in the Dec 1/4 of 1922.
So I think we definitely have the right family.
Now to look for George and Ellen's marriage.
Did they have any kids?
Carol
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carol8353
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And an Ellen Frances Turner died in Islington in Nov 2002 age 85,her DOB is listed as 10 Sept 1917-fits with the Dec 1/4 birth of Ellen F A Wass.
Will give you the refs if you want to order the certs and think they are the correct people.
Carol
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Thank you very much for your help and yes I would like the ref numbers. would you know what regestrey I request them from.
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carol8353
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EUREKA- I've found their marriage !!! I've been hunting for ages.
Ellen F A Wass married George E Turner in Shoreditch in March 1/4 of 1964
Ref 5d page 1029. Proof positive
So George's death in Tower Hamlets in Jul 2000 register number B32 Entry number 225
Ellen's death in Islington in Nov 2002 register number A39 entry number 67
You can apply online to http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/order_certificates/index.asp#0
Each cert will cost you £7.
Hope that helps.
Carol
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jean7
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Thanks carol for all your help
Ellen Turners death sounds right but George Turner dosent fit right as my mum spoke to him after the year 2000??? as she told me she had spoke to him but I cant remember what the esact date that was. Mums memory is starting to fail her.
jean
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carol8353
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I've proved that the George whom Ellen married is George E Turner.
This one is the only George E with a birthdate of 9th May who died in London between 1984-2005.
Perhaps he died in 2006 or 7,in which case he ain't going to show for another year or two
Get Ellen's cert and see if it says widow- if so it's likely that it IS the correct George as it shows he died before her
Carol
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Thanks I was thinking the same thing
I will let you know in the future
You have been very helpful
jean
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carol8353
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Cross referenced with this thread too...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=291481.new;topicseen#new
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