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MancsMan
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Was he right or was he wrong
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Ya right Annie   
Part 1 can be found here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,286323.0.html First Page
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,286323.270.html Last Page
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It's looking a bit empty here Annie.
I've been a bit distracted by English geography the last couple of days.
A rather graphic account of the first to fall: Captain Louis Nolan, 15th Hussars
Originally from Cecil Woodham-Smith in "The Reason Why" and para-phrased by Edward J Dodson in "The Light Brigade, England's Charge Borne on Ireland's Back"
http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/dodson_england_and_ireland_and_crimean_war.html
"Before the Light Brigade had advanced fifty yards......the Russian guns crashed out and great clouds of smoke rose at the end of the valley..... The advance was proceeding at a steady trot when suddenly Nolan....urged on his horse and began to gallop diagonally across the front......he crossed in front of Lord Cardigan and, turning in his saddle, shouted and waved his sword as if he would address the Brigade, but the guns were firing with great crashes and not a word could be heard. At that moment a Russian shell burst on the right of Lord Cardigan and a fragment tore it's way into Nolan's breast, exposing his heart. The sword fell from his hand, but his arm was still erect and his body remained rigid in the saddle. His horse wheeled and began to gallop back through the advancing Brigade and then from the body there burst a strange and appalling cry, a shriek so unearthly as to freeze the blood of all who heard him. The terrified horse carried the body, still shrieking, through the 4th Light Dragoons and then at last Nolan fell from the saddle dead."
The obituary of Captain Lewis (sic) Edward Nolan, from the London Illustrated News, 25th November 1854, oblivious at the time of the controversy which would surround him:
http://www.silverwhistle.co.uk/crimea/obituary.html
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liverpool annie
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Now for something completely different .... I'll save the rest of Sutherland for tomorrow !!
Light Brigade Scandal.
The extraordinary tale of a wayward Irish soldier who survived the Charge of the Light Brigade only to be flogged when he returned to camp has emerged in the sale of his Crimean War decorations.
Private Christopher Fox, who was born in the Dublin parish of St Michael's joined the 4th Light Dragoons in 1847 at the age of 19, but he soon found himself in trouble because of his hot-headedness.
His name was in the defaulter's book 43 times he was court-martialled four times and imprisoned twice.
However in 1854 Fox sailed to the Crimea - where he won his three clasps for the battles of Alma, Balaklava and Sebastopol. They were expected to fetch up to pounds 5,000 at Spink auctioneers in London
On October 25 1854, Fox took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade.
But a fellow soldier Pte James Herbert, later revealed how - far from being commended Fox was flogged 25 times.
Herbert told a journalist: "There was a man of our regiment named Fox. When the order to advance was given, he was on duty at the camp. He rushed to his horse - rode in the charge and came safely back. He was court martialled for leaving his post and sentenced to receive 50 lashes ...... Fox was made an example of by being given 25 strokes with the cat-o'- nine-tails.
At the time - one man never gave more than 25 lashes - without someone else being left to wield the whip for the rest.
Fox's Colonel let him off the rest - but the plucky private said: "I don't want to be beholden to you. I'll take the other 25 " .......... The balance was never given !
Despite his dislike of discipline, Fox remained in the army another 18 years, winning four good conduct badges.
* E.J. Boys Archive - Fox Pte Christopher 1314 4th LD
Herbert Pte James 1460 4th LD
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Be who you are and say what you feel - because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind ! Dr. Seuss
Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5
"Our fathers did not talk about psychology - they talked about a knowledge of Human Nature. But they had it, and we have not. They knew by instinct all that we have ignored by the help of information." Chesterton
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liverpool annie
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Here's his Civil War information !
Alexander Sutherland
Regiment Name - 1 Colorado Cavalry.
Side - Union
Company- L
Soldier's Rank - In Bugler
Soldier's Rank - Out Bugler
Film Number - M534 roll 3
Union Colorado Territory Volunteers
1st Regiment Colorado Cavalry
Regiment organized from 1st Colorado Infantry November 1, 1862. Attached to District of Colorado, District of the Upper Arkansas and District of the Plains till November, 1865, operating against Indians and protecting stage routes.
Stationed by detachments at Denver, Camps Collins, Curtis, Fillmore, Robbins, Weld and Canon City and at Forts Lyon and Garland.
Service - Skirmish at Grand Pass, Fort Halleck, Idaho, July 7, 1863 (Detachment). Expedition from Denver to Republican River, Kansas, April 8-23, 1864 (Co. "D"). Skirmish near Fremont Orchard, Colo, April 12 (Cos. "C" and "H"). Expedition from Camp Sanborn to Beaver Creek, Kansas, April 14-18 (Cos. ("C" and "H"). Skirmish at Big Bushes, Smoky Hills, April 16 (Cos. "C" and "H"). Skirmish at Cedar Bluff, Colo. May 3 (Co. "C"). Scout from American Ranch to Cedar Bluff May 9-10. Scout from Fort Sumner August 3-November 4 (Cos. "A," "B" and "G"). Scout from Fort Union, N. Mex., August 4-September 5. Affair near Fort Lyon, Colo. August 7. Skirmish near Sand Creek August 11 (Cos. "D," "G," "K" and "L"). Scout on Fort Union Road, near Fort Garland, August 12-16 (Detachment). Skirmish, Atkins' Ranch, August 22. Skirmish, Walnut Creek, Kansas, September 25 (Cos. "L" and "M"). Skirmish, Fort Lyon, October 9. Affairs near Fort Lyon November 6-16. Pawnee Forks November 25 (1 Co.). Engagement with Indian at Sand Creek, Colo., November 29 (Cos. "C," "D," "E," "G," "H"and "K"). Company "B" at Fort Zarah, Kansas, August to October, 1864, then at Fort Garland. Skirmishes at Valley Station and Julesburg, Colo., January 7, 1865. Operations on Overland Stage Route between Denver and Julesburg January 14-25, 1865 (Co. "C"). Skirmish, Valley Station, Colo., January 14 (Co. "C"). Skirmish, Godfrey's Ranch, January 14 (Detachment). Skirmishes at Morrison's or American Ranch and Wisconsin Ranch January 15. Point of Rocks or Nine- Mile Ridge, near Fort Larned, January 20. Gittrell's Ranch January 25. Moore's Ranch January 26. Lillian Springs Ranch January 27. Near Valley Station January 28 (Co. "C"). Operations against Indians near Fort Collins, Colo., June 4-10 (Co. "D"). Expedition from Denver to Fort Halleck, Dakota, June 17-19 (Co."D"). Operations about Rock Creek Station, Seven-Mile Creek, Dakota, June 24-30 (Cos. "A" and "D").
Mustered out at Leavenworth, Kansas, November 18 1865.
OMG !! .... he was involved in The Sand Creek Massacre ..............  no ... he wasn't !! he was in Co "L" and was in the skirmish in August .... but he wasn't there in November .... phew !! my heart was in my mouth there for a minute !!
Another one of those days that will go down in infamy !  Black Kettle wanted peace with honour !
http://www.lastoftheindependents.com/sandcreek.htm
"All we ask is that we have peace with the whites. We want to hold you by the hand. You are our father. We have been travelling through a cloud. The sky has been dark ever since the war began. These braves who are with me are willing to do what I say. We want to take good tidings home to our people, that they may sleep in peace. I want you to give all these chiefs of the soldiers here to understand that we are for peace, and that we have made peace, that we may not be mistaken by them for enemies. I have not come here with a little wolf bark, but have come to talk plain with you."
Motavato (Black Kettle) speaking to Gov. Evans, Col. Chivington, Maj. Wynkoop & others
in Denver, autumn, 1864
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Be who you are and say what you feel - because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind ! Dr. Seuss
Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5
"Our fathers did not talk about psychology - they talked about a knowledge of Human Nature. But they had it, and we have not. They knew by instinct all that we have ignored by the help of information." Chesterton
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liverpool annie
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There were women helping the wounded on the Russian side too. The most famous of these was Dasha Alexandrova who ran a tavern in Sevastopol. When the allied troops were disembarking at Balaklava, she cut off her hair, dressed in mens' clothing, loaded a horse with clean rags and bottles of wine and vinegar for cleaning injuries and set off for the front line. Other women joined her and they worked throughout the siege, often in very dangerous conditions, assisting wartime surgeon Nokolai Pirogov. Dasha was regarded as a heroine by the soldiers she helped, and became known as Dasha Sevastopolska.
Nikolay Ivanovich Pirogov
was a prominent Russian scientist doctor pedagogue public figure, and corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Sciences (1847). He is considered to be the founder of field surgery, and was one of the first surgeons in Europe to use ether as an anaesthetic.
He worked as an army surgeon in the Crimean War From his works in the Crimea, he is considered to be the father of field surgery. He followed work by Louis Seutin in introducing plaster casts for setting broken bones, and developed a new osteoplastic method for amputation of the foot, known as the "Pirogov amputation". He was also the first to use anethesis in the field, particularly during the siege of Sevastopol, and he introduced a system of triage into five categories. He encouraged female volunteers as an organised corps of nurses, the Khrestovozvizhenska community of nurses established by Grand Duchess Yelena Pavlovna, echoing the efforts made by Florence Nightingale for the British.
He last appeared in public on 24 May 1881, and died later that year at Vishnya in Ukraine
Nikolai Ivanovich Pirogov (1810 - 81)
Pirogov is the most famous figure in the history of Russian medicine.
Pirogov's first famous contribution to medicine was as professor of the Medico-Surgical academy of St. Petersburg. Pirogov paved the way in Russia for the scientific use of anesthesia.
At that time anesthesia was unknown for surgery and as a result even minor operations caused patients immeasurable suffering, and even death. Then in 1840 ether was first used in an operation carried out in Boston, USA. Pirogov made many experiments with animals and tested the effect of the ether on himself and on his associates before using it as an anaesthetic in the clinic. It was only after he was convinced that ether anesthesia was absolutely harmless that he began to use it on a wide scale in his operations. Later Pirogov tested and began using another anaesthetic - chloroform. Pirogov was the first surgeon to make a wide of anesthesia in field hospitals. (Caucasus in 1847)
Even before the discovery made by Louis Paster, Pirogov had correctly defined the cause of inflammation and pus formation after an operation. To prevent wound infection Pirogov used substances which are still in use today by surgeons.
Pirogov was the first doctor in Russia to use nurses to care for sick and wounded in the field.
This outstanding surgeon and scientist was also a prominent public figure. He devoted much of his time to the training and education. His ideals and his active methods of teaching were widely appreciated and adopted in Russia and other countries and profoundly influenced the development of the system of medical public education.
While living in Odessa, Pigorov resided at Deribasovskaya 31
http://www.2odessa.com/wiki/index.php?title=Pirogovskaya_Street_%26_Dr._Pirogov_Monument
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Be who you are and say what you feel - because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind ! Dr. Seuss
Erect no gravestone .... let the Rose every year bloom for his sake ! Rilke Sonnets to Orpheus, I:5
"Our fathers did not talk about psychology - they talked about a knowledge of Human Nature. But they had it, and we have not. They knew by instinct all that we have ignored by the help of information." Chesterton
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