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Look up please Fredk Jos Bell marriage
« on: Wednesday 12 March 08 17:53 GMT (UK) »

My great, great Grandfather Frederick Joseph Bell b 1828 Wisbeach, Cambs, was married, according to the 1871 Census, to Frances b 1839 London, Their first child arrived in 1864

In the 1861 Census he is recorded as living alone in Northamptonshire

I can find no record of him in the 1851 or 1841 Census

Now I have located a Frederick Joseph Bell m Jul-Sep 1848 in Wisbeach - no further details

1 Is this the same man, if so what is the name of his wife and what happened to her, were there any children?
2 Is his marriage to Frances (nee unknown) his second, when did they marry? I think she died in the 1890's
3 Who were his parents?

Can anyone help please?
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Re: Look up please Fredk Jos Bell marriage
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 18:03 GMT (UK) »

Hi Sft,

the 1861 census shows him as widowed with 2 children: Frederick J age 6 and Mary A age 5*, both born Wisbech therefore the Wisbech marriage looks promising  Smiley 

*the 2 older children are also on the 1871 census with them!
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Re: Look up please Fredk Jos Bell marriage
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 18:05 GMT (UK) »

2nd marriage *could* be this one (especially as son Albert's birth place is Stamford):

Dec 1861 Stamford 7a 641
Frederick Joseph Bell to possibly Frances Ranby

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Re: Look up please Fredk Jos Bell marriage
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 23:45 GMT (UK) »

Hello Tati

Thanks for your help. I think I must have the expurgated version of Ancestry since there was no mention of the first 2 children in either the 1861 or 1871 Census.

I am a little sceptical about the first marriage. There seems to be quite a gap between 1848 and the birth of the first child in Sep 1854. Usually children seem to follow quickly after marriage in those days. I can of course check this.
It is a pity we don't know his first wife's name

Thanks again

Simon
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Re: Look up please Fredk Jos Bell marriage
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 March 08 07:53 GMT (UK) »

Indeed Simon, I'm wondering!  Grin I'll post the uncensored households in a mo.

In the meantime, I've searched for marriages and the 1848 one is the only one I see. Maybe there were older children who either were elsewhere on census night or who didn't survive?

Searching Camdex marriage index (http://www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/db/ridmars.nsf/search?OpenForm ), the 1848 spouse appears to be Mary A Short. Interestingly, it gives her spouse's surname as: Bell, Cross - as if he went by 2 different surnames  Huh

(Doesn't help me find them in 1851 unfortunately!)
 
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Re: Look up please Fredk Jos Bell marriage
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 13 March 08 08:19 GMT (UK) »

1861
RG9/2313 86 25
Stamford St Martins, Northamptonshire
Back St West

Henry Beebe, head, 37, Groom, b. Wansford?
Maria, wife, 50, b. Lincs Stamford
Sophia, dau, 11, scholar, b. Northants St Martins
Frederick J Bell, lodger, wid, 33, Foreman in Timber Yard, b. Cambridgeshire Whittlesea
Frederick J Bell, son, 6, scholar, b. Cambridgeshire Wisbech
Mary a Bell, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.


1871
RG10/1516 72 24
Fletton, Huntingdonshire
19 Tower Street

Frederick Bell, head, 42, Lath Maker, b. Cambs Whittlesey
Frances, wife, 32, b. London
Frederick, son, 16, b. Cambs Wisbech
Mary, dau, 15, Dress Maker, b. do.
Albert, son, 7, b. Northampton Stamford
Arthur, son, 3, b. Hunts Fletton
Emily, dau, 8 mo, b. do.
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Re: Look up please Fredk Jos Bell marriage
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 13 March 08 10:14 GMT (UK) »

See also simultaneous cross post on http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?p=146172#post146172
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Re: Look up please Fredk Jos Bell marriage
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 13 March 08 10:27 GMT (UK) »

Merci David  Tongue
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Re: Look up please Fredk Jos Bell marriage
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 13 March 08 15:10 GMT (UK) »

Hi Tati

The Bell/Cross business is probably explained by illegitimacy - there's a baptism in Whittlesey in 1826 of Frederick J BELL, mother Rebecca, father John M CROSS found on the Cambs FHS baptism index 1801-37 at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html

So it looks as though the 1848 marriage is the right one, on the assumption that the 1826 Frederick is the right one. Cumulatively it all adds up.

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
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Re: Look up please Fredk Jos Bell marriage
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 13 March 08 15:26 GMT (UK) »

Sounds good David !! Cool

Now where is he in 1841/1851?  Tongue
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Re: Look up please Fredk Jos Bell marriage
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 13 March 08 16:09 GMT (UK) »

Hiya all

Could he have join the forces and been posted abroad

Willow x
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