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Baptism Look Up request please - Mary Ann Gilby c1862 Whetstone
« on: Tuesday 11 March 08 16:56 GMT (UK) »

Hi there,
Can anyone have a look for the Baptism of Mary Ann Gilby (could be Marianne Gilbey or variants) circa 1862 / 1863.
She was born in the Whetstone area so could come under Finchley / Barnet.
Believed to be illegitimate from the marriage cert so real need is to identify her Mother if possible.

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Mike
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Re: Baptism Look Up request please - Mary Ann Gilby c1862 Whetstone
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 17:18 GMT (UK) »

Do the witnesses on marriage cert give any clues to family??

Do you have her on any census pre marriage?

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Re: Baptism Look Up request please - Mary Ann Gilby c1862 Whetstone
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 March 08 18:47 GMT (UK) »

Hi Suz,

Answers in reverse order:-

I have her in the 1881 census (Marriage was 1882) as a servant age 18, born Whetstone, Middx.

Whetstone is Barnet is Finchley i(s Barnet Registration district), although I cannot find Whetstone as such on the official list for Registration Districts.

I cannot find her in the 1871 at all.

1861 & 1871 census have only one family of Gilby's in Finchley (they originated in Buckland, Herts. ).   Head was Joseph, wife was Elizabeth.

The witnesses at the marriage were Frederick Mole - husband of Ann Gilby, daughter of above family and Sarah Pettit, sister of the groom Arthur Pettit.

Both the Pettit's & Mole's came from Sandon in Herts. VERY close to Buckland where the Gilby's came from.

Joseph & Elizabeth Gilby did have a daughter Mary Ann born abt 1841 in Therfield Herts and she can also be found in the 1861 & 1871 census.

BMD gives no logical likely birth.

Hope that answers the questions, but please don't hesitate to ask if any more.

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Mike





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Re: Baptism Look Up request please - Mary Ann Gilby c1862 Whetstone
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 17:10 GMT (UK) »

Hello, Mike,

As you say Whetstone is not a registration district on it's own.  You might find ths useful

Registration District of Barnet. 
sub districts Finchley & South Mimms.
adjacent districts
Edmonton, Hampstead, Hatfield, Hendon, Pancras, St Albans & Watford.

As sub districts you will not find Finchley or South Mimms in any BMD index, these would appear on a birth cert on the second line under the main district of Barnet.
The Adjacent districts are all registration districts in their own rights  & would appear in any BMD index.

I have always found, when looking for any name in the BMD indexes not to discount any of the adjoning districts as some folk when giving their place of birth for the census state the place they think is right but it could be that the family actually lived close by which came under another Reg.
district. 

I did find this birth entry which you might like to think about.
St Albans & Watford are close to the county town of Hertford.

Mary Ann Gilby
June ¼ 1863  Hertford  3a  259

Hope this helps..

Meliora

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Re: Baptism Look Up request please - Mary Ann Gilby c1862 Whetstone
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 17:18 GMT (UK) »

Many thanks Meliora
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Re: Baptism Look Up request please - Mary Ann Gilby c1862 Whetstone
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 18:32 GMT (UK) »

have you discounted
1871 census
Marrianne Gilbey age 8 b. buckland
Parents David? and Emma -lots of siblings too
RG10 1360 112 5

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Re: Baptism Look Up request please - Mary Ann Gilby c1862 Whetstone
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 19:06 GMT (UK) »

Certainly haven't discounted it, especially as the family seems to have originated in that area, but can't really rely on it either!  All the other references say born Whetstone / Finchley so I just don't know.

Frustrating this game isn't it???

But now you brought it up I will see if I can find this one in marriage, death or other census.  It certainly wouldn't be the first time that somebody decided that they were born in a totally differe4nt place would it?

Many thanks for the suggestion.

Mike

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Re: Baptism Look Up request please - Mary Ann Gilby c1862 Whetstone
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 13 March 08 18:31 GMT (UK) »

Hi Suz,

Well, I've dug into this a bit more and in fact the BMD (Mar '63) shows her as Mary Ann, there is no Marianne at all in the district (Royston) around that time.

So that is encouraging - BUT given the number and age of siblings it seems very doubtful that she was illegitimate.

Casting a very broad net in the 1881 though I found her as a servant in Brighton of all places!  (RG11: 1077: 52: 34).

BMD has only one birth of an Ann* Gilby anywhere around that time so it must be the same!

Oh well, back to the drawing board as they say.

Thanks fo rthe ideas.

Regards,

Mike
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