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1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« on: Wednesday 12 March 08 05:21 GMT (UK) »

I'm looking for Harriet Plummer in 1851. As you can see below she would have been aged 25 - 29 by then. If she had married before '51, the only marriage that I can find is to James Young in 1846. I suspect that her mother died in 1850 and the only info that I have about birthplace is that William (my 2xgreat-grandfather) was born in Suffolk.

1841 Census HO107/1348/1 - 8
Walker Yard Leeds Yorkshire

PLUMBER (All born out of county)
Ellen, 45, Ray Cutter
Mary, 20
John, 20
Harriet, 15
William, 11

Thanks for your help,

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Re: 1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 06:13 GMT (UK) »

Hi Peter

Don't know if you have the following but it fits in with the wedding in 1846

HO107; Piece: 2319; Folio: 391; Page: 46
Silk Street, Leeds, Yorkshire 

James Young age 24 Knaresborough, Yorkshire Head Weaver
Harriet Young age 24 Leeds, Yorkshire Wife  Flax Spinner
John Young age 4 Leeds, YorkshireSon 
William Young age 6 months Leeds, Yorkshire Son 

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Re: 1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 March 08 02:47 GMT (UK) »

Robert,

Thanks for that.
That does look like the pair from the '46 wedding. It also leads me to think that this is not my Harriet. This Harriet in '41 should be 14 yo and born in county (ie Yorks). In '51 my Harriet should be 25-29 and not born Yorkshire.

This Plummer family is difficult to track backwards or forwards.

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Re: 1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 March 08 15:27 GMT (UK) »

Hi peter, Im not having any luck on the 1851, but there is another marriage although it is after the 1851 census.

There is a Harriet Plummer marriage in Leeds to either James Naylor or James Norton in Sept 1853, do you think that this is worth looking into?

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Re: 1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 March 08 15:34 GMT (UK) »

looking on freebmd, the marriage in 1846 could have been to John Ward,   David Thompson,    Benjamin Kirkbride   or James Young.

Have you discounted the other three?


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Re: 1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 13 March 08 15:52 GMT (UK) »

On family search there is a Harriet Plummer who was Christened in 'Suffolk County Bts', Suffolk.

Parents John Plummer and Ellen.  No further details on any of them though.
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Re: 1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 13 March 08 16:00 GMT (UK) »

forgot to put the date of the Christening -     6th Feb 1820.

Its an extracted not submitted one.
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Re: 1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 13 March 08 19:35 GMT (UK) »

This could well be what happened to Harriet's brother John.

1880 United States Census    Census place Zerbe, Northumberland, Pennsylvania

John Plummer
birth year -             1821
birth place -            Eng
Age - 59
Occ -                       Boss at Breaker
Mariatal status -     married
Father's bith place - Eng
Mother's Birth place - Eng



Sarah Plummer

wife
age                                 64
Birth place                      PA
Occ - keeping house
father's birth place -       PA
Mother's birth place -     PA
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Re: 1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 13 March 08 23:42 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Jen,

Here are the YorkshireBMD marriages, much more specific than FreeBMD

1846 PLUMMER Harriet / YOUNG James St Peter, Leeds CE46/22/289
1853 PLUMMER Harriet / NORTON James St Mark, Woodhouse CE69/C/236

If Harriet was born 1820, she would appear as 20 yo in 1841.

The John in the 1880 US census is well worth pursuing.

The facts that I have is these.
My 2x ggrandfather William married in 1858.
He gives his age as 29.
He names William Plummer, smith as his father. (no indication if still alive)

From the 1861 census I get the following info.

William PLUMMER, Head, 31, Leather Skinner, Exmouth Suffolk   
Court No 8 Oborne St, Brightside Bierlow, Yorkshire RG9 3495 / 64 / 4

He has a wife Emma and children ELLEN and Eliza.

The only suitable William that I can find in 1841 is in the family in my original post.
I am not certain that he is my William, but it seems likely. He could have named his daughter after his mother.
So I am looking for William married to Ellen
The nearest candidate for young William in 1851 is an 18 yo inmate in Armley gaol. There is also a John Plummer there but the wrong age.

I thought that if I could track the other family members, I might get some clue to their origin.
It is going to be difficult

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Re: 1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« Reply #9 on: Friday 14 March 08 07:16 GMT (UK) »

Hi Peter

In another census he gives his place of birth as Exworth, Suffolk, this should in fact be IXWORTH, Suffolk I think you should search in that area.

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Re: 1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« Reply #10 on: Friday 14 March 08 08:51 GMT (UK) »

hi peter,

I realise my mistake, of course in the 1841 the ages were usually rounded down and not up, therefore Harriet would have been born between 1822 and 1826.

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Re: 1851 l/u, please - Plummer
« Reply #11 on: Friday 14 March 08 23:53 GMT (UK) »

Thanks to you both,

Exworth, as you say, probably Ixworth or possibly Ickworth. It depends how much of a Suffolk accent he had and how that was perceived by the Yorkshire ear.

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