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Topic: Isaac Breach - have I got the right father? (Read 167 times)
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Treelover
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Hello,
A very kind person looked up a marriage for me, but it has created a brick wall instead of confirming who I thought was his father.
I have Isaac Breach born 1835 Berkshire. He marries Elizabeth Sarah White in 1855 in Bedminster. On the certificate he says his father is PETER BREACH
– occ Banks Man? (she could not read it very clearly)
I thought his parents were Jeremiah Breach (1796 – 1864) & Amelia (nee Hawkins). They also have a son Peter.
I cannot find any other Isaac Breach’s. What are the chances of him putting his brothers name instead of his father’s at the time of his marriage? It seems odd, especially as his father was still alive. I have looked and looked but I cannot find a Peter Breach with a son Isaac.
Your thoughts most welcome.
Thanks
Joan
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Atkinson - Congleton, Ches
Broomhead - Lancs
Clegg - Rochdale, Lancs
Dodd - Manchester, Lancs
Jones - Lancs, Shropshire, Staffs
Williams - Salford, Lancs & Wales
Kennerley - Congleton, Ches
Lees - Rutland
Redfern - Lancs & Derbyshire
Round - Staffs
Rowley - Congleton, Ches
Sankey - Burtonwood, Lancs
Shuffle(el)bottom - Lincs & Lancs
Watson - Salford, Lancs & Yorks
Walker - Manchester, Lancs
Wright - Manchester
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Treelover
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Hi Gaie,
No thanks. I had already found all the census records for Isaac with a father Jeremiah and mother Amelia.
The problem now seems to be that his father is not Jeremiah but Peter and I cannot find a Peter Breach with a son Isaac
Joan
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Atkinson - Congleton, Ches
Broomhead - Lancs
Clegg - Rochdale, Lancs
Dodd - Manchester, Lancs
Jones - Lancs, Shropshire, Staffs
Williams - Salford, Lancs & Wales
Kennerley - Congleton, Ches
Lees - Rutland
Redfern - Lancs & Derbyshire
Round - Staffs
Rowley - Congleton, Ches
Sankey - Burtonwood, Lancs
Shuffle(el)bottom - Lincs & Lancs
Watson - Salford, Lancs & Yorks
Walker - Manchester, Lancs
Wright - Manchester
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Newf
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Hi Joan - gotta say that the chap you have looks good to me thru to 1861 in Bedminster - ie age and PoB seem to work - occupation in 1861 seems a bit of a leap up - Accountant ?, altho 1871 seems to be Railway Clerk ?
I wonder if his brother Peter has confused the picture - who were the witnesses on the Marriage Cert ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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Treelover
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Hi
Here we havea slight problem. The lady who looked at the record for me could not read it properly.
It looked like (this is how she wrote it)
Witness very unclear - Ed..?& Helen? Hemlett
I couldn't find them 
PS
On Isaac's marriage cert he is an accountant
Joan
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Atkinson - Congleton, Ches
Broomhead - Lancs
Clegg - Rochdale, Lancs
Dodd - Manchester, Lancs
Jones - Lancs, Shropshire, Staffs
Williams - Salford, Lancs & Wales
Kennerley - Congleton, Ches
Lees - Rutland
Redfern - Lancs & Derbyshire
Round - Staffs
Rowley - Congleton, Ches
Sankey - Burtonwood, Lancs
Shuffle(el)bottom - Lincs & Lancs
Watson - Salford, Lancs & Yorks
Walker - Manchester, Lancs
Wright - Manchester
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KN
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Joan
Not sure if any of the following will help, but it's always interesting to potentially fill in some gaps!
from the Berkshire Burial Index:
Breach, Peter
17 March 1746/7 Reading, St Lawrence
10 November 1831 aged 76, Sonning
3 Feb 1833, aged 48, Sonning
23 September 1890 aged 69, Twyford St Mary
Breach, Isaac
9 August 1773, Hurst, St Nicholas
1 June, 1852, aged 39. Wokingham, All Saints
Breach, Jeremiah
21 April 1861, aged 76 Easthampstead, St Michael & Mary Magdalen
There a quite a number of Breaches listed, maybe 100, so these may or may not be related to your branch of the family. But the Sonning burials look likely don't they?
KN
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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But the Sonning burials look likely don't they?
The trouble is, if Isaac was born in 1835 (do we know that for sure?) it's hard to see how he could be the son of either Peter who died in 1831 or Peter who died in early 1833.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Treelover
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HI Anna,
Precisely 
His age was shown correct on his marriage certificate and it also confirms this on most later census records. I'm sure he is Jeremiah's son. If his father couldn't get to the wedding and his brother (Peter) stood in for him. Could he have put his brother's name instead of his father.
My husband's Great grandmother put her grandfathers name on her marriage certificate even though both her grandfather and father were dead. We can only assume it was because he had the better occupation "Police Man" rather than packing case maker which was her father's job.
Joan
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Atkinson - Congleton, Ches
Broomhead - Lancs
Clegg - Rochdale, Lancs
Dodd - Manchester, Lancs
Jones - Lancs, Shropshire, Staffs
Williams - Salford, Lancs & Wales
Kennerley - Congleton, Ches
Lees - Rutland
Redfern - Lancs & Derbyshire
Round - Staffs
Rowley - Congleton, Ches
Sankey - Burtonwood, Lancs
Shuffle(el)bottom - Lincs & Lancs
Watson - Salford, Lancs & Yorks
Walker - Manchester, Lancs
Wright - Manchester
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Newf
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it may well be along those lines - maybe Isaac didnt want his new missus to know that his Dad ran a Beerhouse ?
A Banks-man tho isnt particularly up the social scale - its either a mining job or maybe to do with railway navvy work ?
I couldnt make out Peters occupation in 1861, or find him in 1871 ....
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle KEW – 1814, Carlisle |
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Treelover
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On 1861 I thought it said Labourer at biscuit factory
On 1871 his birth year has been put on wrong. He is with his 2nd wife Martha
RG10 1289 94 14 Occupation Sawyer
Jack of all trades, master of none
Joan
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Atkinson - Congleton, Ches
Broomhead - Lancs
Clegg - Rochdale, Lancs
Dodd - Manchester, Lancs
Jones - Lancs, Shropshire, Staffs
Williams - Salford, Lancs & Wales
Kennerley - Congleton, Ches
Lees - Rutland
Redfern - Lancs & Derbyshire
Round - Staffs
Rowley - Congleton, Ches
Sankey - Burtonwood, Lancs
Shuffle(el)bottom - Lincs & Lancs
Watson - Salford, Lancs & Yorks
Walker - Manchester, Lancs
Wright - Manchester
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