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1891 census - John Cox
« on: Wednesday 12 March 08 17:20 GMT (UK) »

I'm looking for a John Cox born c 1840, married but not living with his wife Annie in 1891, almost certainly in Hunts (she was in Lancs).  Ancestry index shows one John living on his own at that time, but I fear this might be the widowed brick labourer I've come across before in 1881.

Another John Cox around the same age was living in Graffham with his wife Ann/Fran and children in 1881.  I'd be interested to know where they were in 1891, too, if someone could help, please.

Just trying to solve the riddle of whether my gt-grandmother's second husband was also her cousin. Grin  That may sound complicated, but when you know that his sister was married to the brother of her first husband's sister's husband, you'll know why I'm going crazy...  Roll Eyes

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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 17:55 GMT (UK) »

This looks like the "other" one

1891
Grafham
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John Cox head M 45 ag lab
Ann wife 49
Fanny louisa daughter 10
all b grafham
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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 17:59 GMT (UK) »

Hi Gillg,

       Do you know where your John was born?

   I have found a John Cox b Buckden age 51 living with his mother Sarah age 81 b Godmanshester.

  This was in 1891 in Buckden. Could this be him?

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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 18:06 GMT (UK) »

Thanks, Suz

That takes care of that one, then.  He can't have married gt-gran in 1884!

Thank you.

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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 18:14 GMT (UK) »

Sue

John of Buckden is a distinct possiblility.  Does it say whether he was married and what his occupation was?  And the mother of the one I believe to be gt-gran's second husband would have been Sarah.  Maybe he left Annie and her children in Lancs to visit his elderly (ailing?) mother.  Is he a resident or a visitor?  Buckden is good, too.  It has been mentioned in connection with him.  He actually died in Hunts (possibly Buckden) too.

Thanks so much for this.

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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 March 08 18:19 GMT (UK) »

Hi Again Gillg,

             John and his mother are both down as wids.

             Johns occ is General dealer and his mother is down as living with son.

                Address is 18 Mill Road.

                                       Sue
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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 13 March 08 10:24 GMT (UK) »

Sue

This has to be my man! According to my records "my" John was born c1840 in Buckden.  His mother was Sarah born c1811 in Godmanchester.  The only thing that doesn't match is the status widower, but he does seem to have been separated from his wife anyway, as he also died in Hunts while she was in permanent residence with her children in Lancs. 

Now I've found him in 1881 living with mother Sarah in Marske in Guisborough, Yorks with 6 year old nephew William Cox, who was born there.  John is an Ironstone Miner.  Still trying to work out the title nephew, as John only had two sisters, as far as I know.  Incidentally, John's birthplace is given as Buckdew, Hunts.

Sarah lived on to the age of 93 and her death is registered in St Neots.  Not sure about John's death, as there are several which might fit.

Where is he in 1871, I wonder, and does he then have a wife?  There's a possibility in the Ancestry index in Cheshire and in 1861 in Hunts.  Could one of you kind persons please help?

Thanks so much for the information so far.  It certainly seems now that the relationship scenario which I mentioned in my first message is correct.

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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 13 March 08 13:32 GMT (UK) »

Hi Gill,

        Have you got this 1841 Buckden

James Cox age 32 occ ag lab
Sarah Cox age 30
Mary Cox age 6
Sarah Cox age 4
Betsey Cox age 2
John Cox age 6 months

          All born Huntingdonshire

                      Sue

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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 13 March 08 13:38 GMT (UK) »


  And in 1851 Buckden

Sarah Cox head age 40 b Godmanchester occ charwoman
Sarah dau age 14
Elizabeth dau age 12
John son age 10
James son age 6
George S son age 4

All born Buckden except Sarah, Betsey is now Elizabeth. Address 108 High Street

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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 13 March 08 13:53 GMT (UK) »


  This is 1871 Buckden

Thomas Leadon head age 48 occ ag lab
Betsey wife age 33
John son age 13 occ ag lab
Mary dau age 11
Lucy dau age 9
Sarah Cox mother age 62 b Godmanchester

All except Sarah b Buckden. Address 100 (looks like) Hardwick but its next door to The Crown pub

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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 13 March 08 14:34 GMT (UK) »

Sue

This is terrific!  Yes, John's father was James.  And I see from the 1851 that John did have some younger brothers, which could explain that nephew in Yorks.

Dare I cheekily ask if you were able to find John in 1861 & 71?  Don't want much, do I? Roll Eyes  As I said, he could be in Cheshire in 71.

Strange how so many of my relatives were living next door to a pub.  One of them even owned a pub with the fascinating name of "The Dog and Doublet".

Many, many thanks Cheesy

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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 13 March 08 16:19 GMT (UK) »

Hi Gill,
       Had no luck finding your John in other census. He must be somewhere though.

  Had a look but couldnt see your James but did find George in 1861 age 14, lodger,

  living in Eye Northamptonshire.

         Hope this helps

              Sue
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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 13 March 08 16:37 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for trying, anyway, and thanks for all your efforts, Sue and Suz. Cheesy  This family certainly moved about a bit.

This string has been really helpful, and I've just heard from someone else that "the other John" in Graffham was the son of James and Betsy, which helps to differentiate the two, as well. 

Best regards,

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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 13 March 08 16:45 GMT (UK) »


Think this is your James in 1871 in Hertfordshire


James Cox head age 25 b Buckden occ lab
Sarah wife age 33 b Flamstead Herts
John Lee son age 4 b Cheam Surrey
Annie Emily dau age 2 b Abbots Langley Herts
Elizabeth Maria dau age 6 months b Rickmansworth Herts

     Address 36 Woodcock Hill


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Re: 1891 census - John Cox
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 13 March 08 17:04 GMT (UK) »

Like I said, Sue, they do move about a bit.  Thanks again.

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